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⌈ Secret Post #6006 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

LOL, there fucking are. Plenty of people have talked about how they KNEW they were the other gender when they were five, six, seven years old. THAT is a fucking TRANS KID. Also, no one is transitioning that young other than socially. Ohhhh noooo an amab 7 year old is wearing a skirt, this IS THE DOWNFALL OF SOCIETY!!11!eleventy! /s

[(Anonymous)]

Only these days it's much more likely that the boy just ... wants to wear a skirt and the parents are the one transing him.

[(Anonymous)]

Stats please? Cause mostly I see parents DEEPLY ashamed and abusive of their son who they keep calling their daughter.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I don't have statistics for you, but after growing up the deep south, I can see how trans ideology could get VERY popular with conservatives. Because it means their gay kids don't have to be gay.

https://elizamondegreen.substack.com/p/conservative-parents-and-trans-kids

[(Anonymous)]

I'm also from the deep south, and they make NO DISTINCTION. A freak is a freak. You love the same sex as you? BURN IN HELL. You transition to another gender so you love a different sex than you? GOD DON'T MAKE MISTAKES! BURN IN HELL!

They won't stop at trans. They won't stop at gay. They won't stop until we're ALL dead. And make no mistake, that IS the fight here. One side wants to live as themselves, the other side wants to kill them. People arguing against trans kids are arguing FOR their murder.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not that simple. A lot of trans stuff looks identical to conversion therapy to me - right down to the fact that they're using chemicals that were once used to castrate gay men. The only difference is what kind of rhetoric is surrounding the medicalization. Now, supposedly it's all for their own good.

What kind of happiness can you envision for queer people when the supposed "lifesaving treatment" for their distress involves killing their sex drive and rendering them sterile?

[(Anonymous)]

I think you have a very confused misunderstanding of what is actually going on. No one is forcing anyone to get gender affirming surgery. People DO, however, force conversion therapy. It's literal torture trying to rewire the brain to associate same sex attraction with pain or disgust. In contrast, it's SO FUCKING HARD for anyone to get gender affirming surgery that ISN'T for the gender assigned at birth. Women can get breast augmentation all day long, but a transwoman has to go through SO MANY hoops before she can even be considered. It's why the regret rate for gender affirming surgery is around 1% or less, one of the lowest for ANY surgery.

Trans people DO need life saving treatment to affirm their gender identity. It does not always kill their sex drive or render them sterile. Sometimes all the treatment they need is to socially transition. No drugs needed, no killing the sex drive or rendering them sterile. Sometimes they need hormone therapy, no killing the sex drive or rendering them sterile. Sometimes they need surgery, which is a CHOICE they make for THEMSELVES knowing the consequences of their choice with the current options. And even then, we have been making great strides in the surgical treatments available. The science is getting better all the time.

You seem to be ignoring the large gap between religious conversion therapy and real life saving treatment (not "lifesaving treatment") and that is CONSENT. Let people MAKE THE CHOICE FOR THEMSELVES.

[(Anonymous)]

I have no desire to legislate what other people do to their own body. If it were up to me, all drugs would be legal and there would be zero restrictions on abortion anywhere. I'm not trying to force people to get or do without anything.

That said, if you want examples of people who are suing their doctors and health insurance companies for having been put on testosterone or estrogen long before they turned 18, and in some cases also having undergone trans-related surgeries, you just need to look at the reddit sub r/detrans. You're telling me here that a lot of stuff "doesn't happen" that other people are testifying in court absolutely did happen. And the situation is similar with the various medical treatments you describe. Drugs taken to delay puberty and cross-sex hormones are entirely capable of screwing up the human sex drive, not to mention the whole rest of the endocrine system. There needs to be better access to realistic information. The issue that keeps coming up when people are unhappy with what they agreed to is a lack of informed consent. You say the amount of people who decide this was the wrong thing for them is negligible and ones who need something else are screened out. That's not what I'm seeing.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, I see where the problem is here! You think "what I'm seeing" translates to what ACTUALLY happens in the real world. Common mistake. It's why we have science!

See, what you actually need to do is survey a LOT of people from a non biased source! So what you would do instead is get agreement (this is important because informed consent is important!) AT A HOSPITAL OR CLINIC that performs this type of treatment. You need to get agreement BEFORE any medical procedure is done. This stops bias. So, once you get agreement, you follow as large a sample size as possible. Preferably in the thousands, which other studies have done and I'm pretty sure YOU personally have not. And you see of those people: who doesn't go through with the medical procedure, and of those who do, what is the success rate? And the success rate is measured by life improvement, regret, lingering pain, any side effects that weren't expected, etc etc.

Once you do that, you get a true number of how well the treatment works. In the case of current modern gender affirming treatment for trans people, the success rate is over 98%. Because, you know, scientists don't ONLY survey people who feel regret.

Though, hopefully a study is being done for those people so we can figure out the causes of regret, which will help us figure out a) better treatment techniques and b) better screening techniques for people who didn't actually need that kind of treatment.

Hope that helps! If you still feel confused, or think that your experience MUST be the norm because they happened to you, I would suggest a remedial science course.

[(Anonymous)]

What I'm seeing draws on both the scientific articles I've already read, and what I literally observe when I'm not reading studies. And yes, I happen to expect both of these to belong to the real world, where we hopefully both live.

AFAIK, the alleged success rate of 98% comes from studies done on adults who transitioned after lengthy medical consultations and psychological assessments in Europe. The less differential diagnosis is valued and applied, and the more pre-screening has become a dirty world, the less likely it is that those conclusions are relevant to the experience of American minors being recommended for trans-related puberty blockers and hormones.

But there are studies that are trying to address these questions. For brevity's sake, I will only link to an overview: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-023-02626-2

One of the more interesting conclusions I see being drawn, in detrans spaces as well as the blunter research papers, is that mental health problems and neurodevelopmental comorbitidies are strongly implicated in transition regret. People find themselves wondering why their doctors didn't recognize the role that autism, ADD, bipolar disorder, OCD, and similar played in creating their dysphoria.

Also, I suspect the sentence "when obtaining informed consent, clinicians should ensure patients understand that medical transition is not an antidote for the enduring consequences of childhood adversity, co-existing physical or psychological disadvantages, or unfortunate family circumstances" is going to stay with me for a while.