[ SECRET POST #6029 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6029 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 31 secrets from Secret Submission Post #862.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'm saying it's still used so it works well enough for agencies and army to use it.

OP is too political for posting about torture on fs. Fandom and effectiveness of torture is not related. I watched the leaks and I have a good imagination so to me it's like casually mentioning r@pe without any warning.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm saying it's still used so it works well enough for agencies and army to use it.

That doesn't prove that it works. It's also possible that agencies and army that use it are fucking stupid. Or that they're using it for some reason other than gathering information.

OP is too political for posting about torture on fs. Fandom and effectiveness of torture is not related.

If characters use torture in a show with a fandom, it's clearly related.

[(Anonymous)]

It made me uncomfortable. OP is free to ignore my opinion.
Agreed on fucking stupid but torture works, including chemicals use. To say otherwise is stupid. There were poison pills issued not long ago for a reason.

[(Anonymous)]

DA Torture can be very effective, but as a weapon of terror not for actually obtaining useful information.

[(Anonymous)]

I watched the leaks and I have a good imagination so to me it's like casually mentioning r@pe without any warning.

There should have been a tag for torture before the secret, or it should have been saved for Friday, sure. I can agree with that sentiment, because torture should be warned for like r@pe. But that’s not OP’s fault. I speak from experience when I say that even trying to add warnings to the comment secrets doesn’t guarantee that they’ll be applied to the secret, or be put under a warning above the secret by Case. Things slip through the cracks sometimes. It’s unfortunate, but it happens.

People bring up politics all the time here, both in fandom and in the general threads. It’s not against any rules. Especially when it’s a part of the fandom the secret is about. And it definitely is here. Everything is political in some way, but Star Trek especially is, and pretending otherwise is being disingenuous. OP did nothing wrong by making this secret, they’re not being “too political”, or bringing politics where it doesn’t belong. You’re the one who’s full of shit, honestly. You sound kind of similar here to the people on the right who are all for politics they like and agree with, but the moment it’s politics they disagree with or find uncomfortable, it’s “Don’t bring politics into this, everything is too political these days!”. The same people that complain that people “bring politics” into works like Persona 5, while ignoring that the work is inherently political, because they’d unaware of or are actively ignoring that part. And complaining about a Star Trek secret being political is just as egregious.

Just because the government does something doesn’t mean it’s effective or humane. What an absurdly ignorant thing to say. The evidence of it’s ineffectiveness far outweigh evidence to the contrary, but the government ignores that evidence. That’s the problem. They do things like that a lot, when the people at the top feel like the ineffective and/or unethical method benefits them more than improving the system they’ve been using since before research has been done about whether it’s effective or not.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt
I don't talk about politics and religion no matter if I'm pro or against someone's stance on it.
This secret took me out of fandom space. I'm a snowflake so what? OP's full of shit and haven't even specified where exactly ST does what they claim it does.
I don't care about torture science. I think people that read on it, read the surveys, are sickos that get off people's pain. The exception is if it somehow relates to their work.