[ SECRET POST #6043 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6043 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Gonna be honest, this secret made no sense. This is probably about the anon who claimed P/E (Narumitsu) makes no sense last week but I am not sure what this secret is trying to address. Is it made by the same anon or someone else? Who knows?

[(Anonymous)]

Untagged manifestos, apparently! What tag OP was hoping to see, I'm not sure - "tw headcanon", perhaps? That's totally definitely something worth putting into common practice.

[(Anonymous)]

What... is an untagged manifesto? What is a manifesto to begin with. What do they call a manifesto. A ship manifesto on AO3? Yeah that should be properly tagged so no one mistakes it for a fanfic I guess. A ship manifesto on your personal website? It's your own website, do whatever you want really. A ship manifesto on Tumblr? That's a matter of how you deal with Tumblrtiquette. A ship manifesto on LJ? (good old days) A ship manifesto... on F!S comments section? Personally I have never seen anyone write enough about a ship in the comments section, that someone else would call it a "manifesto" - much less an untagged one, how the fuck should one tag it in that case? IDK. What I am trying to say is I don't get what they are saying at all.

But for one I do hate when people have a lot of rules for fandoming - as if life elsewhere wasn't full of rules, dont these people know just how to have... fun? If you're talking to someone else about a ship I guess it's okay to write an "untagged manifesto"? What's this tagging business about.

[(Anonymous)]

SA- And just to make things clear I am one of the anons who replied to that secret with "got it, that's your headcanon, that's fine! It's not mine! Have fun in fandom!" and moved on. I have no idea why that is so hard for some folks.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm thinking they time-travelled here from 2004 and are mad that no one tags for slash anymore. Other than that, I got nothing.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT - oh... like "TRIGGER WARNING: SLASH! DISGUSTING BOYS KISSING, EVEN"? Could be. Go figure

[(Anonymous)]

Time to bring back the lemons.

[(Anonymous)]

DA
This made me laugh! Recently I was looking up old Gundam Wing fic and I had to actually look up the citrus scale to remember what everything meant. Blast from the past.

[(Anonymous)]

da but I'm guessing the OP is talking about people who do what someone I know does, which is talk about their headcanon/things they'd like to happen in canon as being actual canon fact instead of headcanon or speculation. People like that seem to believe so much in their headcanons that they think they're actually real and that everyone else should acknowledge them too.

[(Anonymous)]

That's what I'm guessing, too. And it is annoying.

If other people are expecting "canon" to mean what everyone else thinks it means, which is that this happened in the original story, someone who's putting out their personal take (that contradicts what the author made) and claiming it's canon is spreading misinformation. The comparatively harmless kind, sure, but still misinformation.

"This is what I think should have happened" is fair. "This would have been so much better than what the author actually did" is debatable, but has a long history in fandom and people tend to respect it.

"This thing I made up totally happened and is canon" ... now we're off where people can't actually have mutually intelligible conversations with each other anymore because their concept of reality is incompatible.

I find it fun and fascinating that fandom actually tends to do a pretty good job drawing a line between desire and delusion, with regards to pushiness like this. Pretending that's clearly defined as such is well accepted. (You don't want to deal with a favorite character's death and made a space for people to carry on like that never happened or they miraculously survived the appearance of it, despite canon? More power to you.) But outright denying what you and everyone else saw is very much not!

I think both sides of that are really important. Maximum room for imagination - without tolerance for intentional deception.

[(Anonymous)]

My side is the “fandom is not srs bzns. If someone says ‘THAT TOTALLY HAPPENED!’ I assume it didn’t happen, unless I have seen the canon and know what they mean” - where’s my crowd?

[(Anonymous)]

They passed down all the roads long ago and the wankers ran close behind them and covered their footprints.

[(Anonymous)]

Seems like it — how annoying

[(Anonymous)]

We are lurking in groups of two or three with very tiny personal fandoms going on far, far away from...most of everything.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah my group of one is like that too

[(Anonymous)]

Like, when you're in a group of people who all have either a shared set of headcanons or even one shared headcanon, or just like an inside joke, then it's all fun and good to be like 'Uh actually we all know X happened', because you're *with people who will 'yes, and' about it*. In my little small fandom group, we have a couple things that are... well, whether or not one of them is canon remains to be seen, but all have our fun saying 'yeah, we all watched the show where this happened', but like...

If I was talking to another fan who, like... I don't know what parts of the show they're into and I don't know what they do or don't like, then I wouldn't say the same things, because the tone might not communicate, and I'm not out to like... mislead a casual fan or someone who hasn't finished the last season!

And, while my circle is pretty chill about 'we know the show won't do the thing we want most and that's good actually because we can just play in this sandbox', there are definitely corners of the same fandom where people are *really* setting themselves up to be hurt because they get into that place where they're genuinely sure that such and such a ship is going to be canon when there's no indication that it will, and hanging SO much on that...

[(Anonymous)]

Related anecdote: It was months before I found out and, was genuinely shocked, that the show everyone was always calling "the gay pirate show" had any canon gay anything in it, because for ages fans have referred to shows with nothing but subtext and gay juggernaut ships that are not canon in the least as "the gay/lesbian (whatever it's about) show." And with lots of people looking for canon gay relationships for main characters, those years of fandom inside jokes about something being gay when it isn't will probably result in those people overlooking things that actually do have the canon gay relationships they're looking for because they'll assume it's just fandom joking around again.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, exactly. My little fandom group has inside jokes in the "we all agree X happened/these characters are 100% fucking" flavor too, but we would never say those things in the larger fandom because they wouldn't get that it was a joke and that none of us are actually taking it seriously. We don't ACTUALLY believe the villains are fucking in canon, we just like to joke about it because of the intense amount of subtext they have.