fandomsecrets | [ SECRET POST #900 ]

⌈ Secret Post #900 ⌋

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[Scrubs]

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[Daniel Radcliffe & Tom Felton]

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[Secret Diary of a Call Girl]

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[Stephen Colbert]

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[LOST]

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...what? No, we're talking about fic and other fan-made media. I'm saying that eastern and western media fandoms do the same shit that I described above. The only appreciable difference is that in eastern media fandom, they have names for it. It's codified.

Well, then I'm out of my depth here. Because I barely read any fic for anime/manga when I was into it; I just stuck to commercial yaoi works. I can only speak about slash, which often doesn't fall into heteronormative tropes, not the stuff people call good. The obvious heteronormativity that may follow into yaoi fic... I can only assume comes from commercially made yaoi itself. I don't know.

But slash based on Western media? I see the equality of the relationship on the screen, and so I follow it into fic, and often I really don't have to search hard to find authors who really build upon it. I just got into a new fandom, and I keep finding new and old fic that fulfills what I'm looking for. But I'll admit I don't have to love a show or a movie first in order to ship a slash pairing. Het pairings that I ship are usually born out of shows I love watching to begin with.

Your life story is nice but isn't really relevant.

If you see treatment of relationships as equals more in slash fandom than in in het fandom, you need to read your slashfic more critically.

And I think you need to start judging slash by the good stuff and not the reams of badfic that gets posted.

(I wish I could rec you something, but I haven't been into the Japanese stuff in ages... do you like Antique Bakery? Are you in any Western fandoms?)

Stop treating me like some fandom neophyte. I know that there's plenty of good slash out there. I'm not saying there isn't. But there's plenty of good, equal-ground het out there as well. And there's a fuckload of bad for both, too. At no point have I claimed otherwise. What I'm saying is that equality is no more prevalent in slashfic than hetfic, or vice-versa. Treating either one (although slash fans do this a lot more) as some sort of pure ideal of equality while disregarding all the stuff you don't like, is a load of horse hockey.

If you say het fic takes a lot of the heteronormativity out of the original media and makes things more equal, I have no choice but to take your word for it, because I don't read a lot of het fic. If you say that a lot of good het fic writers seek to challenge those mores or make them moot the same way good slash writers do (and I'm going with the good stuff here because it makes no sense to judge these things by the bad), then I'll have to take your word for it, too. I'm just saying that I don't see a lot of het pairings in the original media that have the same foundation for equality that I see for slash pairings, so I'm disinclined to believe that a lot of het fic would seek to make it better, but I could always be wrong.

So--

You admit you don't have the proper frame of reference to discuss this.

You have clearly misidentified what is even being discussed.

You don't have anything meaningful to say on the topic.

And yet you decided to speak up anyways!?

What made you think this was a good idea?

Your frame of reference isn't that great, either, or you'd know exactly what the OP was referring to when talking about "slash-like het relationships." So I'm disinclined to believe that you have much favor toward slash - as in, you don't prefer to read a lot of slash. I'm guessing you get more exposure to it, 'cause maybe your fandom(s) is/are inundated with it, but I think it's disingenuous for you to put forth that you have the same appreciation for it like a lot of other slash fans. I mean, would you call yourself a fan, or do you just happen to have a ship or two and maybe once in a while read a fic about them?

I knew exactly what they meant. The meaning of my comment was 'seriously? Did you actually just say that seriously?' with a side of 'oh, fo fuck's sake'.

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