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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2009-06-23 02:51 pm

[ SECRET POST #900 ]


⌈ Secret Post #900 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Sorry for the earliness.

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[identity profile] sessile29.livejournal.com 2009-06-24 12:22 am (UTC)(link)
Well, when a lot of weaknesses get touted as so-called "feminine" characteristics and a lot of strengths get touted as so-called "masculine" characteristics (by society, of course, and not that these characteristics are inherent in men or women), things get complicated.

Is the characterization of guys in slash pairings representative of the masculine ideal, or is representative of how women want to see guys act or how women see themselves reflected in how guys act? Is a "strong woman" only strong because she resembles a guy or because she embodies characteristics that usually get considered as masculine? Is a strength only a strength when guys do it, or because society prefers to see men strong? Complicated.

I think slash can be an idealization, and sometimes people want to see the het ships resemble that ideal, and I think the ideals are ones that go beyond gender and slash uses a same-sex pairing to embody that.

(Anonymous) 2009-06-24 12:41 am (UTC)(link)
See, you're trying to draw this back to your idea that slash is somehow the cornerstone of equality, when it isn't. You have rose-tinted glasses when it comes to your prefered pairings, and frankly it shows in a huge way.

Het isn't one cookie-cutter archetype, it has many (as does slash) There is no pairing that hasn't been done before, nor is there a single gender-genre that embodies said characteristics, no matter how badly you want to delude yourself into thinking otherwise. To say that a het couple can only be equal when it is like slash is saying that it has to be the male/male dynamic for it to be strong.

A woman doesn't need to be like a man to be strong, and to say that your *ideal* somehow makes this possible is laughable. Your pairings don't go beyond gender, because you base them soley on the gender and not the content.

(Anonymous) 2009-06-24 12:43 am (UTC)(link)
THIS.