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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2009-06-23 02:51 pm

[ SECRET POST #900 ]


⌈ Secret Post #900 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Scrubs]


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[Daniel Radcliffe & Tom Felton]


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[Phantom of the Opera]


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[Vampire Knight, Twilight]


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[Fallout 3]


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[Constantine]


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[Hourou Musuko]


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[Secret Diary of a Call Girl]


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[Stephen Colbert]


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[LOST]



Notes:

Sorry for the earliness.

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(Anonymous) 2009-06-24 07:04 am (UTC)(link)
The point was that the terminology is offensive by nature of implication, no matter what you want it to mean.

Okay, are you maybe trying to say it's offensive because you think it puts slash as something "above" het, as though het is naturally inferior and only when it is "slash-like", does it achieve equality?

[identity profile] runic-binary.livejournal.com 2009-06-24 07:14 am (UTC)(link)
Yes. Because that is the meaning the term conveys, and if you have to spend twenty comments explaining that that isn't what you mean when you said it, you might want to consider that it isn't the best term to express your sentiment.

I know what you mean by it. You've given your explanation. It's just not really adequate to dispel the inherent bias in the words.

(Anonymous) 2009-06-24 07:26 am (UTC)(link)
Yes. Because that is the meaning the term conveys

No. That is the meaning the term conveys to you. To someone like me, who instantly grasped the concept, I had to struggle with what you were finding offense with in the term itself, which is frustrating to me because I don't think of myself as stupid or insensitive.

"Slash-like het" just means het that is like slash, whatever the term slash means to you. To me, slash confers a sense of "gender blindess" (equality is probably the wrong term, since, yes, that can certainly happen between any possible mixture of gender) that you don't usually get in fictional het relationships. Therefore I would assume that "slash-like het" is het that has a similar sense of gender-blindness, something that I really like and only rarely find in my fictional het. "Gender-blindness" doesn't make slash superior, it's just a trope.

I don't want to offend people, but that's sort of hard when the terms under question mean such different things to whoever is participating.

[identity profile] runic-binary.livejournal.com 2009-06-24 07:41 am (UTC)(link)
Okay! I guess I can live with that, but I am confused as to why you're commenting anonymously if you don't consider yourself stupid or insensitive. Not that it has anything to do with anything; it's just a pet peeve. I don't understand why people do that.

(Anonymous) 2009-06-24 01:49 pm (UTC)(link)
See, you can't claim gender 'blindness' when you're basing the pairing on gender. I find this to be a rather hypocritical stance-When it comes to slash, the two males are just 'acting like they are', but if a woman is thrown into the equation, be it one or two, they are then labeled by their gender and not their character. The 'gender roles' in this situation are being put onto the characters by the person, and not the actual character.

In other words, you're making your own distinctions, thus you can not claim this to be a 'trend', since you dismiss the female characters yourself.

I can see why you're saying it, but it's untrue. The thing is, is that in reality it isn't 'genders' but archetypes, which every gender-genre has. There's nothing wrong with liking a certain mix, but to claim that your tastes are more 'unbiased' than others is offensive, just as it would be if someone said het-like slash was about 'gender blindness'

(Anonymous) 2009-06-24 04:08 pm (UTC)(link)
See, you can't claim gender 'blindness' when you're basing the pairing on gender.

I'm not. There you go.

(Anonymous) 2009-06-24 04:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Seeing as how most slash-only fans stick to slash because they like two men together, I'd have to say-Sorry, but you're not the majority of your prefered genre.

(Anonymous) 2009-06-24 04:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Seeing as how most slash-only fans stick to slash because they like two men together, I'd have to say-Sorry, but you're not the majority of your prefered genre.

We're talking about me, not the "majority of my preferred genre", which I didn't even say I preferred. Why are you judging me based on a generalized whole? It's like me claiming all het-only fans are homophobic just because I've run across some that are.