[ SECRET POST #6111 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6111 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Uhh, not to say militaries aren't about war crimes. But not all jobs in the military involve the direct killing of people and/or physically commiting crimes against humanity. There's logistics involved that require clerks, cooks, doctors etc.

I suppose you can make a case that even people in those careers are supporting all of the things you're accusing OP for, but you could also make a case that tax dollars in general support and grow the military.

Realistically, what would nations have in place of militaries? Unless all countries agree to demilitarization, would there be a better alternative? I mean we can just look over to biggest current war in the western sphere and see what lessoning their military presence did for them.

Like it'd be great if we didn't have a need for militaries, but denying the necessity of them is like beliving people can't be terrible human beings.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

I do agree that there's a difference between engaging in/recruiting people for combat vs medics etc. I'm not about to tell a front-line doctor that they're causing war crimes, haha. And, yeah, I take issue with military spending, but it's not like tax money HAS to go to the military. Someone's making that decision, you know? They could make a different decision.

And I'm not a pacifist - I agree that violence is necessary and that good things can come from violence. If someone attacked me, I would defend myself. But it's not a binary situation, IMO. The things I took issue with above - war crimes, expendability, lack of medical care, misrepresentation - aren't an unavoidable part of having a military. I think the way war and the military are presented to people, as a chance to be a hero, as cool video game stuff, sick guns and brotherhood... It's an intentional lie. It's manipulation. Manufactured consent.

Pair that with the way militaries have often been used in recent history, and, yeah, I find the whole thing really upsetting. I'm not necessarily against any form of military ever, but I don't think that means I have to be okay with the way militaries are now.

(Also, definitely didn't mean to imply OP was a war criminal. I'm really sorry if it came off like that, that'd be shitty.)

[(Anonymous)]

I mean fair enough, military propaganda is actually the worse and there's been quite a lot in that case especially regarding certain video games.

I think militaries should be held to higher standards but that's also how I feel about police, and changing tactics/policies/etc of that sector of society is an uphill battle of systemic problems with no clear solutions. A noninsignificant percent of people attracted to those jobs imo, are also the sort to abuse their power. So it does in some way feel that it comes with the job description (if we're mainly talking combat roles).

Changing any of it would prob need an overhaul of the whole command system and that would require people on the inside doing it. Effective change would mean ironically more people should join, not less so there's more of an incentive to weed out the scum and thin the ranks.

Absolute defunding of militaries would also be a mistake that would honestly lead to more privatization. That would absolutely make things worse not better. If government oversight leads to war crimes, little or no oversight at all, would be 100x worse.

Tax dollars will still need to be spent, but the insane amount by the US in particular definitely needs to be curtailed.

I think we all should be concerned about how the military is ran, because it's mostly horrible, but condemning every person who joins (even if it's for a silly reason) isn't gonna make the situation better.

If we do, we run the risk of running the people who actually care about all these issues you stated, out from the military and we'd all be worse off for it.

We don't need to present soldiers like they're heroes but we also don't need to treat them like they're scum of the earth either.