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⌈ Secret Post #6122 ⌋

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Comments

[feotakahari]

I wouldn’t have described “toxic positivity” as what that movie’s about. Positivity is more active, and the movie’s more about the shutdown you experience when you can’t respond to a situation at all.

[akacat]

OP didn’t say it was the main point, just A point. I don’t know about people forgetting about it, but I do agree that there was a point in there about Toxic Positivity.

The main emotion character (happiness, I guess?) was so determined to steamroll over sad events and emotions that it sort of screwed the kid up. It wasn’t until the sad emotions got their time that things started to get sorted out.

[(Anonymous)]

One reason I can't fully enjoy this movie is that while Joy learns her lesson by the end, she's still supposed to be the hero. She's a straight up bully. She's not a hero. Having her as the main character was a mistake.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, I also didn’t feel like she actually learned a lesson. Maybe it’s just be, but I found myself assuming that she would revert to her old behavior or not be able to apply this concept to other situations.

[meadowphoenix]

main character and hero aren't synonymous. i don't think they stuck the landing, but this was 80% a good job of having a movie subvert protagonist bias

[(Anonymous)]

If they'd intended her to be a protagonist who wasn't a hero, that would have been great. But I think they genuinely thought she was a hero, making a few small mistakes, but still overall good. I don't think they recognized their main character was a bully.

[meadowphoenix]

making a few small mistakes, but still overall good. I don't think they recognized their main character was a bully.
i think you're making your perspective a little normative. being a bully and being overall good isn't inherently mutually exclusive, especially in a movie for kids about emotions.

i actually think you have formative concerns here that don't make sense to force on the allegory presented. there's nothing in joy's presentation that suggests she is aligned with the moral perspective of the movie (aka a hero) through most of the movie and the movie ends with a literal democracy like...joy giving up power is a reasonable consequence here as an emotion. what do you think is missing that isn't about how you feel about bullies and their narrative consequences but that makes sense for an allegory of this sort?

[(Anonymous)]

I wouldn't call Joy a bully because her intentions were always good. She wasn't actively trying to hurt anyone, she was just trying to help Riley but didn't realize that Sadness was actually important for that.

It was less that she was a bully and more that she was insensitive.