[ SECRET POST #6209 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6209 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Comments

[starfleetbrat]

Fantasy literature "a man's world" for decades?

Diana Wynne Jones
Ursula Le Guin
Marion Zimmer Bradley
Anne McCaffrey
Patricia McKillip
Octavia E. Butler
Robin Hobb
Madeleine L'Engle
Lois McMaster Bujold
Jacqueline Carey
Katharine Kerr
Anne Bishop
Melanie Rawn
Sheri S. Tepper

and so many more.

[(Anonymous)]

None of them are kids sci-fi. I don't recognize a few names, such as Madeleine L'Engle and Melanie Rawn tho. The ones I recognize write for adult mostly female readers.
This's a good explanation on boy/girl thing, I think.
https://www.quora.com/Why-did-J-K-Rowling-use-a-male-pen-name-in-the-age-of-feminism

[(Anonymous)]

Diana Wynne Jones wrote predominantly for younger audiences and her fiction wasn't particularly gendered in audience. UKLG famously wrote fiction for younger audiences although it's not exclusively what she wrote. And L'Engle is mostly known for children's fantasy.

Also, there's a long list of other women children's fantasy writers that you could absolutely come up with. I assume this list was just starfleetbrat going off the top of their head - there's tons of other examples. For instance I would go to Susan Cooper, Diane Duane, and Caroline Stevermer probably.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt
Then all those people on the Internet are mistaken. If those books' success is a rule and not an exception, and they don't have 'girly' covers, then I'm surprised that no one caught JKR on her lies. I swear I saw a lot of reputable articles stating that JKR had to get male pen name for more profit. I read it in printed articles even. I am not knowledgeable on the 90s UK publishing scene however The Worst Witch was definitely marketed to girls. This doesn't mean that your argument is wrong btw.

[(Anonymous)]

I responded to another post elsewhere, but basically - her publishers definitely thought that she needed to have a male pen name for popularity, but they might have been wrong or at least overstating how important it was.

[(Anonymous)]

You can hate her (I do too) without assuming malicious two-faced intent to everything she does. Just because you don't think she needed to use her initials to get popular doesn't mean she ~lied~ about thinking it was a good step to take (or, as said elsewhere, that it wasn't even her idea but her publisher's).

[(Anonymous)]

Well obviously it wasn’t her idea to change her name. The books were written by JK Rowling, not “Joe Nottaman.”

[(Anonymous)]

I read a... lot as a kid (like, a lot a lot, like my teachers told me not to bring my books to recess because that was "play with other kids" time) and didn't know who Diana Wynne Jones was until Howl's Moving Castle was made into a movie. My library only carried LeGuin's adult books, and my library was pretty big.

[(Anonymous)]

IDK. My libraries definitely carried all of those authors. I think my school library also carried some of them, but the public library definitely did.

[starfleetbrat]

Harry Potter isn't kids sci-fi either wtf lol

Madeleine L'Engle wrote A Wrinkle in Time which is a very well known kids fantasy book. Diana Wynne Jones wrote many many children's fantasy novels including Howls Moving Castle, Ursula Le Guin wrote Wizards of Earthsea which is a well known fantasy novel that many people study in High School, Anne McCaffrey wrote the dragonflight series of books that many people read as teenagers. Not on the list but should have been is Jennifer Rowe who wrote the Deltora Story series of fantasy novels for kids.

And Quora is a terrible source of information, but regardless of why JK used a pen name, that is actually irrelevant to my point. Many many other female exist, it hasn't been "a mans world" for decades. And also, most other female fantasy writers haven't felt the need to use initials to cater to "boys" and they still sold millions of copies books. In fact I find it disheartening that JK felt she needed to do that, and also that in catering to boys in this way it comes at the cost of not catering to girls.

[(Anonymous)]

Madeleine L'Engle wrote A Wrinkle In Time and its sequels.

[(Anonymous)]

Also. This authors were popular enough to be translated. I read a lot of female authors as a kid because at 10 my English wasn't that good. Diana Duane meant to pre-teenage me A LOT.
So no, terfqueen wasn't in a men's men's world

[(Anonymous)]

Tanith Lee?

[(Anonymous)]

Also adding Tamora Pierce to that list.