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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2024-02-12 07:38 am

[ SECRET POST #6246 ]


⌈ Secret Post #6246 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2024-02-12 01:01 am (UTC)(link)
At what point does a sound-based bias bleed over into our perception of the people who use those sounds to speak?

(Anonymous) 2024-02-12 01:11 am (UTC)(link)
DA

When we start treating the actual people who use those sounds as less than because they use those sounds. No one is doing that here. They're just not watching something they don't want to watch....

(Anonymous) 2024-02-12 04:27 am (UTC)(link)
That seems like a distinction without a difference. Their work is being treated as less worthy precisely because they use certain sounds when they speak. The OP doesn't want to watch these works not because the works are uninteresting or lack merit, but because they don't like the way the people who make them sound. And that isn't something that those people can help, and it isn't something that can be separated from their culture. Language is imbedded in culture. It is intrinsic to it. It's why it's such a big deal that Indigenous people have had their languages forcibly taken from them, why they work so hard to keep those languages from dying out.

Let's put it another way: OP would only be able to accept visual media made by Korean people if they were to forego their own language and speak one more to OP's liking. How is that not a kind of chauvinism?

(Anonymous) 2024-02-12 04:52 am (UTC)(link)
Their work is not being treated as less worthy, OP literally praises their work in the secret. Their work is just less desirable by OP for purely subjective reasons which OP acknowledges.

Let's put it another way: Music is intrinsic to culture as well as language. It isn't something that can be separated from it. Cultural stories are told in not only the actual music, but in the music styles of the culture. Culture is literally expressed by and lives in the music. OP says they don't care for the sound of any of the traditional instruments of a certain culture. You call them racist for not liking the sound of specific instruments.

That's literally your argument. How is not wanting to listen to something you don't like chauvinism?? Are people not allowed to have preferences for anything unless they meet your moral standards? Must OP run their preferences for painting styles by you as well for them to be acceptably non-racist?

(Anonymous) 2024-02-12 06:04 pm (UTC)(link)
Isn't that too heavy-handed to be an argument? OP is one person in a world of billions. They're not oppressing Koreans for not liking the way the language sounds and avoiding their media. Their dislike of the language hurts exactly zero actual Korean people. If the government of the country suddenly decided to ban the language and force its citizens to speak only English for some reason that would be something to worry about but a single person who does not like the sound of a language and keeps from watching things in that language... The only possible damage is to the person, who might be missing out on something they might otherwise have loved, but I think they're aware of that and accept that.

Is it a pity that people develop a distaste for how some other languages sound, like the anon who dislikes German? It is, but not for the speakers of that language. And even so, nobody should just force themselves to start liking something because someone on the internet thinks it's racist to dislike sounds.