[ SECRET POST #6277 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6277 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[feotakahari]

I’m more used to stuff where the rebels are the bad guys. They’re right that society wronged them, but their response is to hurt innocent people, so they get stopped by people for whom society worked. This is especially common in Japanese shows like My Hero Academia.

I’m trying to think of what would satisfy both you and me. Something that doesn’t villainize outcasts, but also doesn’t villainize the people working within the system. Ever After High, maybe?

[(Anonymous)]

ZOM 100 works around this in an interesting manner. All of the protagonists were screwed over by their system and ground into a figurative paste before the zombie apocalypse, but remained empathetic, loving people that tried to save everyone and worked for a better world.

On one hand, one of the villains was one of the protagonist's abusive old bosses, who initially made himself a leader. That is, until people realized he was a stupid coward and unfit to govern in a zombie crisis, and was leeching off his old position to abuse people.

On the other, they found a small village with whom they worked happily and in cooperation. A place the protagonists would then defend against a dark mirror of their party, who FELT screwed over by society and wanted to destroy it out of misanthropy now that the zombie apocalypse is in full run.

They acknowledge the old, corporate world was fucked like all hell; but so far in the anime, it has shown evil is more by actions and what you do, rather than either wanting to destroy society or preserve your position in it.

[(Anonymous)]

Probably has something to do with the fact that imperialism is bad. But I'm pretty sure there's plenty of post-9/11 scifi with evil terrorist allegories if you want that.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean plenty of rebellions historically have also been bad.

[philstar22]

Sure, empires are bad. But rebels that are actually terrorists are also bad when the main government isn't an empire and isn't actually good. Like, say, the group that stormed the capital to try to make Trump president again.

[(Anonymous)]

Or the Confederate States of America.

[philstar22]

Yup, that too.

[(Anonymous)]

Or the ones that tried to kidnap my state's governor so they could execute her on live-stream during the covid lockdown.

[philstar22]

Yup.

[(Anonymous)]

What makes empires inherently bad?

[(Anonymous)]

Violent conquest? Repression of subject peoples? Economic exploitation and theft by the imperial metropole?

[(Anonymous)]

Is it foregone that those things will always happen, or that what the empire brings is worse than what came before? For example, was the violence and chaos of the warring states periods of China and Japan preferable to China and Japan's imperial periods?

[(Anonymous)]

Is it foregone that those things will always happen

I think if none of those three things exists, it's hard to see how the state could properly be called an empire. It's sort of definitional.

or that what the empire brings is worse than what came before?

Obviously there's a million hypotheticals you can come up with. And saying that empires are bad doesn't mean that they're the worst possible arrangement. It just means they're bad.

For example, was the violence and chaos of the warring states periods of China and Japan preferable to China and Japan's imperial periods?

I don't know (genuinely don't know - I haven't studied the periods in depth). But I feel pretty confident that the empires were not the best possible way to organize those societies all things being equal. And probably not the best way even accounting what was available given the social, economic, cultural, and material conditions.

[(Anonymous)]

It ain't bad if you are one of the beneficiaries of it.

[(Anonymous)]

It's because people like to imagine themselves as underdogs, and as the sort who'd recognize an unjust status quo and have the courage to rise up against it.

[(Anonymous)]

Let's see, there's Star Trek. There's not exactly an Empire, but a Federation, with (sometimes) bad guys Romulans and Klingons, plus the Maquis, not necessarily bad guys, but not necessarily good either.

Maybe The Neverending Story. Don't know that The Nothing or G'mork would qualify as rebels, though.

The Fifth Element probably fits.

Technically, Harry Potter might fit this. The rebels are definitely bad guys. Many in Magical Britain are corrupt, apathetic, ignorant, or a combination thereof, but the audience is supposed to think that's individual, not systemic, and that the system in place is worth preserving.

[(Anonymous)]

Because then it would be a superhero movie.