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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2009-08-17 04:05 pm

[ SECRET POST #955 ]


⌈ Secret Post #955 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

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[identity profile] jlh.livejournal.com 2009-08-17 09:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I think that JKR actually meant the SPEW thing as a satire on the middle-class do-gooder instinct. Hermione was like a little progressive, somewhat condescending to those she was supposed to be helping, and not really paying attention to or even asking them what they might want. Unfortunately all that JKR says the elves "wanted" was to serve, which made them seem like happy slaves. So the whole thing was kind of a mess. Like a few other things set up in GoF/OotP, she never really finished that thought because it wasn't the main point of her books. Ah well.

[identity profile] ember-reignited.livejournal.com 2009-08-17 09:51 pm (UTC)(link)
This. It's difficult to parse without coming up with all sorts of Unfortunate Implications because, let's face it, the author dropped the ball.

[identity profile] steph313.livejournal.com 2009-08-17 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree with this.

We don't know what the house-elves want, and neither does Hermione. You can claim their slaves, but we have no idea. JKR didn't go into enough for people to be "wrong" or "right" on the issue.

I always thought the point of JKR giving Hermione that point was to show just how insufferable she can be. Hermione thinks her way is the only way and refuses to see others' POVs. It's one of her most annoying character traits.

[identity profile] steph313.livejournal.com 2009-08-17 09:58 pm (UTC)(link)
*they're slaves

(Anonymous) 2009-08-17 11:08 pm (UTC)(link)
We do know they're slaves. We know they're property (see Dobby). We know they can't free themselves (again, Dobby). We know they are subject to harsh physical discipline from their owners (Dobby, Kreacher). We know they are born into it (Kreacher). We know they have been for generations (Kreacher and his family). There's no sign that there's a house-elf in Britain that isn't a slave except the ones that have been freed from slavery.