[ SECRET POST #6386 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6386 ⌋

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Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Trying to pin a political ideology to the Ramones is... complicated. Johnny was a conservative, Joey was a liberal, Dee Dee (who wrote most of their songs) was fucking insane. So it's kind of hard to pin them down politically. You have songs with no discernible ideological point (the love songs/boredom songs), songs about Joey and Dee Dee's fucked up mental health, songs that use Nazi aesthetics but holy shit it's complicated (between Dee Dee's weird relationship with Nazism from growing up in West Germany and Joey and Tommy being Jewish, it's a whole can of worms), songs where Joey's trying desperately to bring politics into the band, and "53rd and 3rd".

In general, punk really got political in the second major wave - the first wave New York and London bands were all over the map, some had a genuine political angle, some kind of gestured in that direction, some were really into Nazi aesthetics in a way that wasn't as weird and complicated as the Ramones and therefore less understandable/somewhat forgivable. The second wave wound up very quickly centering around hardcore, which tended to be more political and, uh, reactionary - this is where you get both legitimately leftist bands like Minor Threat and Reagan Youth but also legitimate skinheads (as opposed to the "yeah we use Nazi aesthetics but we're actually fairly normal" of the first wave).