[ SECRET POST #6408 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6408 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[Sonic the hedgehog]



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[Somebody Feed Phil]



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[Somebody Feed Phil]

[(Anonymous)]

People loved Tony and I honestly never understood why. Stereotypical Ugly American. He was always so disdainful and disrespectful of other cultures and it annoyed me no end. For many cultures, HOW the food is eaten is often just as important as how it’s prepared. To see someone so dismissive of that get paid to do it was galling. That he went on to use some of that money to suppress a SA victim is disgusting but not really surprising. The world is a better place without him.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah fuck that guy

[(Anonymous)]

He was always so disdainful and disrespectful of other cultures and it annoyed me no end.

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This is not, I think, an accurate characterization of Anthony Bourdain. At all.

[(Anonymous)]

It’s what was shown in his shows. Talking over the locals he was taken to meet and learn from, glib condescending remarks made to the camera about how backwards or primitive or weird other cultures were, and refusing to use the appropriate utensils were all things I saw when trying to watch one of his shows. I think it was No Reservations, it played heavily on Sky 2016/2017ish. I love food and travel so kept trying to watch him, but he was the epitome of everything the world hates about American tourists.

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He had a brusque manner and could be a sarcastic prick sometimes but I think he generally had a lot of respect for the cultures he was visiting. And he was honest about it. He was responding to the cultures sincerely.

[(Anonymous)]

Based on the below thread, it sounds like maybe he was as you describe in the early days. He sure as hell wasn’t when I tuned in the last couple years before he died. He wasn’t brusque or sometimes sarcastic, he was incredibly disdainful and disrespectful pretty much constantly. But the thread below explores much of that as well as possible reasons for it.

And all of that misses the point of the secret, that he wasn’t suited to the position. OP feels there is someone out there right now creating content who IS deserving of what Bourdain had.

If you contrast Bourdain with Andrew Zimmern or the Man Vs Food guy (totally drawing a blank on his name right now), there’s no question that two of those presenters approached every opportunity with eagerness, respect, and a willingness to learn. And one made snarky comments and literally pushed people out of his way when they were educating him and the audience.

[(Anonymous)]

To me, the Man Vs Food guy comes off as fake and corny. A lot of the more typical Food Network type personalities do. Bunch of car salesmen.

Maybe this is just a matter of taste, rather than Bourdain objectively being disrespectful or the Man vs Food guy objectively being fake and corny. Or maybe I'm right and you're wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think he started off that way, but there were moments in various shows that surprised me. It was like he got tired of it - not other cultures, but the show itself, his fame, etc.? And he started just phoning it in, being cynical about the whole experience and not grasping how that can come off on camera. Ostensibly you're a food/travel show, but he'd sit down, eat whatever, not talk about it or insist it wasn't important, stuff like that. It became more about Bourdain meeting his heroes, and not really about travel OR food. It felt like he wanted to be done with that aspect of his career and it showed.

As for trying to pay off the underage boy to protect his girlfriend... he had to know how shitty that was and what hypocrites they both looked like for doing that. I always wondered if that had something to do with the decision to end his life.

[(Anonymous)]

“insist it wasn’t important” is exactly one of those things I saw a few times and it really bothered me! What I saw wasn’t about food or travel and it was partly disappointing but also partly enraging because of how he treated the people.

I’ve always wondered if that contributed to his suicide, too. I’ve also wondered what else he had going on in his head because by all accounts he really spiraled at the end. As someone who isn’t a fan, I think that spiral started sooner than family and friends realised. He was arrogant and they’d all admit that but his last few years he came off as a downright narcissist and it always seemed like a violent anger was lurking just below the surface.

I have no idea why I give him so much of my headspace. My husband and I have talked about this many times. Everything I feel about him now in light of his girlfriend’s SA and his suicide is the same I felt before any of that happened. Something about him just got under my skin and I circle back to trying to puzzle him out all over again while still intensely disliking him.

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I know what you mean. I don't think I spend a ton of time ruminating on this, but it was complicated. From an outside perspective, he had what a lot of people would consider their dream job - getting paid to travel, experience other cultures and eat delicious food! But I think he got pigeonholed into a type, and I don't think that sat well with him. He always seemed prickly about anything that smacked of selling out or not fitting with his anti-establishment outlook, and I don't think he seemed to LIKE the pretentious aspect of being That Guy who goes to some exotic place, samples the local food, schmoozes with the natives and then goes home first class to his mansion. But... that was kinda his career. So the best he could do was stick with the format that made him famous but stage an internal rebellion: he's not going to gush about the location no matter what, he's going to refuse to eat the food and roll his eyes in ecstasy no matter how delicious, and he tries to wrench the format sideways to talk about Issues with Important People, instead.

I think he was always a depressive type of person who wasn't very comfortable in his own skin, didn't enjoy the limelight, etc. And he became this person that didn't really sit well with him. Maybe finding out that the girlfriend he defended in the whole #MeToo movement was herself a sexual predator was the final straw.

[(Anonymous)]

I can honestly understand if that was how he felt about the job. And I’m not sure if he’d call it a career, I think you kinda hit the nail on the head about selling out, etc. and afaik he viewed his career as being a chef, not a food and travel documentarian. That could have contributed to his prickly manner on the job.

He did struggle with mental health and addiction throughout his life, I know that much. I’ve read about him many times but can no longer remember the details. I can’t recall if he relapsed in the year before his death or not. I do know I’ve always thought something more was going on, like maybe the beginning of dementia (the personality phase, which can last for many years). Idk. You’ve given me a lot to think about so thank you!