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⌈ Secret Post #6445 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[kaijinscendre]

As an enjoyer of both, I agree. Anyone denying they are not similar is a fool.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Pretty much! They are obviously closely genetically related.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I agree. The only reason why I enjoy it more than ABO is to take out the potential pregnancy stuff and heats (don't mind ABO, just gotta be in the right mood with the right ship - whereas bio-dom/sub has been applicable for me to a lot more ships).

[(Anonymous)]

... that's because the D/s-verse was very much the precursor to omegaverses. The original omegaverse was basically "take D/s verse tropes, throw in Sentinel verse tropes, and add knots and heats" and created in a SPN kinkmeme (and, I maintain, partially owes its initial widespread popularity because it was adopted in the Teen Wolf fandom for obvious reasons so it had two fic-heavy major fandoms championing it at once).

As someone who was reading D/s and sentinel verses before omegaverse, and very much remembers when omegaverse came about, if anyone is mad about that statement, they just don't know fandom history. Particularly because D/s and Sentinel verses became way less popular once omegaverse hit the scene.

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[(Anonymous)]

It baffles me that anyone wouldn't know that one birthed the other and that they are super related.

Funny story, but I remember the first "omegaverse" (it wasnt called that then) fic on the SPN kinkmeme. I wasn't in the fandom but I followed the author and I remember seeing and thinking "well thats a new weird" and then years later the author did a kind of Ask Me Anything and someone asked their proudest moment and it was "starting the a/b/o trend by accident."

[(Anonymous)]

If it's strictly bio-based, agree.

Dom/sub verses where society is structured like that but without unavoidable biological imperatives written in are way more interesting to me than both of them though.

[(Anonymous)]

Omg yes. If anything can be said to my kink, this is it.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you have any recommendations on the latter example? Books, fic, whatever!

[(Anonymous)]

I really love D/s normative universes and generally dislike omegaverse, but yeah, obviously they have a lot in common. It's just that the differences that are their are uhhhhhh significant. And also I'm mad that omegaverse has largely supplanted D/s AUs in fandom space. Happy for anyone to like what they like, but why's it gotta suck all the oxygen out of the room for the versions that I like??? sigh

[(Anonymous)]

I wish we had more of the D/s verse. It seemed like a flash in the pan that got overtaken by omegaverse.

[(Anonymous)]

I do think there's a lot of overlap, but while I'm okay with some A/B/O fic, I don't care for biological D/s fic, so there's that.

[(Anonymous)]

I've got to agree with everyone else here. They're obviously cousin 'verses. The bad wolf biology and excess fluids tend to turn me off the A/B/O stuff, but I get that's a major part of the kink for others. D/s verse can be my jam if I'm in the mood as long as they don't lean too hard into humiliation kink.

[meadowphoenix]

for the record i disagree that dom/sub universes were the precursors to abo. both were spawned from the published dark romances of the late 90s early 00s (which were het). you could find "man leads women into bdsm, but it's like a whole culture" and on the abo side "women suddenly finds herself in werewolf society now with heats". So the dom/sub and abo fanfic stuff was that but even more and also gay.

but because dark romance had very obivous and similar tropes no matter the setting (especially about urges and "natural" classes), i'm not surprised that the fanfic versions did too.

[(Anonymous)]

Right, but the idea that they have no similarities, such that one ought to be offended by the mere suggestion that they do, is super silly.

[(Anonymous)]

Ehhhhhh, I think it's probably not correct to say that there's an evolutionary lineage at all; I suspect that it's probably just independent invention happening again and again because a lot of people happen to be into a specific nexus of tropes.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, the question of lineage with stuff like this is definitely going to be a complicated question with a complicated answer. But fwiw, Tramp!Verse by tehdirtiestsock is broadly regarded as the fic (created in response to a kink meme prompt) that is predominantly responsible for spawning the Omegaverse. And the author of that fic plainly states that, "fwiw, omegaverse has deep roots in werewolf fic – all of the tropes, all of the themes, all of the worldbuilding is borrowed heavily from that."

Receipt: https://archiveofourown.org/comments/784104850

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, I think the published het books you're referring to are removed enough I think the mantle of precursor still belongs to the D/s verse, specifically because omegaverse was so entirely wedded to fandom and fandom-popular tropes (and m/m shipping), even if said tropes had inspirations in traditional media. It also partially owes its spread to the transition to modern, decentralized fandom (Tumblr, Twitter, etc). While it was born on a kinkmeme, if fandom was still mostly centralized in LJ community/forum-type spaces when it was invented, I don't think it would have spread so far and certainly not so fast.

[meadowphoenix]

i don't think it had much to do with either twitter or tumblr when it comes to quick adoption. i think it had to do with AO3. it spread quickly through LJ kinkmemes allowing you to unanon and post your fic on AO3 where everyone in the fandom could find it, and fic exchanges and big bangs pushing large volumes of fic at one time on AO3. i'm sure tumblr and twitter helped public awareness, so i would agree with their influence on reach, but not speed.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you really think there weren't slash fanfics doing the same kind of trope in the late 90s/early 2000s? Because I can promise you there were. If you really want to bring things back before Directedverse, the long-running Establishment fandom RP is right there, and there has always been werewolf AU porn and going into heat and soulbonding and mpreg and so on in fandom. (I mean. Slash fandom originated with a character going into heat.)

There's obviously a lot of het romance influence in omegaverse - to some extent, the het was a major thing it brought that wasn't there in the fanfic trope precursors, and of course there's always been crossover between fic and original romances - but the fact that dark/kinky het romances were being published with similar themes does not mean that they "spawned" all the tropes that omegaverse uses.

[meadowphoenix]

you're absolutely right that mpreg is a big ole bit of this, but the actual tropes used in the werewolf fic and the tropes used in those published dark fantasies have commonalities and differences, and imo where there are differences, omergaverse took from the latter.

(pon farr may be going into heat, but no i don't think that's actually relevant here).

[(Anonymous)]

Oh yeah, I absolutely think of D/s-Verse stuff as being in the same general kink constellation as ABO, along with Sentinel/Guide AUs, and possibly a couple others I'm forgetting, lol.

ABO tends to be my favorite, mainly because I find it a lot easier to narratively challenge and reject the gender-essentialism of ABO-Verse than it is to challenge and reject the orientation/designation-essentialism of the other two 'Verses.

(Plus, also, I just find knots, heat-sex, and auto-lubing butts really hot. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ )

But all three of these 'Verses are very hit-and-miss for me; I can totally understand why they're often love/hate for people, and I have no idea why anyone would be getting mad at the idea that they invite comparison on at least some broad levels.