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⌈ Secret Post #6454 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

I honestly agree with you. It's weirdly disingenuous. And while yes, I'm very interested in the story of the victims - especially their family's story depending on the case - part of why I enjoy true crime is catharsis. I'm not getting that out of ignoring the psychology behind the perpetrator, or how their crimes were an extension of things that might have happened to them. I don't think it's disrespectful to enjoy and be fascinated by that part of things, but there's so many people who ARE disrespectful in the true crime world that it's really hard to feel that way sometimes lol.

[(Anonymous)]

IMO it pretty much just boils down to people not thinking that true crime should exist.

[(Anonymous)]

I think that people who make true crime content tend to try and compensate for this, hence the frequent gushing over what amazing angels on earth struck down before their time the victims are. Obviously every life has potential, but it's weird and frankly a little condescending to pretend that every murder victim was going to cure cancer one day. It's as if people think it's more okay to be killed if you're just, you know, an ordinary slob like the rest of us who doesn't love life and light up a room when they enter it.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd rather listen to an hour of the killer's MO in detail instead of hearing how much the victims lit up a room.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep, same.

[(Anonymous)]

OTOH, I’ve never lit up a room so I’m 100% safe from murderers *g*

[(Anonymous)]

I've told all my friends and loved ones that if I get murdered in a cool way they are to shittalk me to every media source. Fuck that bitch, her smile was dull, her wit had an over practiced air, her bangs were sloppy.

I am invulnerable.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd love to hear about a victim who was actually a piece of shit that nobody tries to paint in a better light just because they were murdered.

[(Anonymous)]

Forensic Files actually has some of those stories. Here's the one on Robert Rogers: https://youtu.be/qlxZRWIFiLQ?si=KgiG6Mx2l3p0P24B

[(Anonymous)]

Try the Ken McElroy case. You want an asshole victim that no one was sad that he was gone? That's the guy.

And you really can't blame everyone for being glad that he was gone. The amount of shit McElroy had spent decades getting away with...while no one knows who committed the crime, the motive isn't all that mysterious: you spend years pissing people off and eventually, some of them are going to come looking for you.

[(Anonymous)]

Not to invalidate your point at all, but I often do listen to/read true crime because I'm more interested in the victim's story. Not that I'm opposed to a good lurid serial killer bio, but when I get really into true crime, it's because I feel like my life is shit and only getting worse, and I just want to hear a story about somebody having a worse day than I am and be all cathartic about it. I often stick to "unsolved" stuff because I know that means I won't have to sit through any boring stuff about the killer.

(Even leaving aside the "crime victim" part, victim-focused true crime is one of the only places you get lots of detailed stories of incredibly ordinary people having incredibly ordinary lives; most other stuff is carefully curated to clean up the messy and/or boring and/or ugly and/or nonsensical parts, even if it's supposed to be "ordinary".)

That said, I often find the stuff that focuses on the victims feels way more exploitative than the stuff that focuses on the killers. Like I don't give a damn if someone violated Jeffery Dahmer's privacy or wrote an unfairly unflattering portrait of Charles Manson, but average person who had a very bad day doesn't actually deserve that.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm interested in true crime and in real-life disasters. I'm looking for the same things in both, I think. I want to know how and why it happened and if there's anything to do to help prevent it or anything specific to watch out for.

[(Anonymous)]

This is my main reason for being into this stuff, too. And with true crime, stories about families/spouses always especially interest me, 'cause there's that extra level of "They were the perfect family/couple, except they weren't" involved that can be interesting to explore. The motives in those kinds of crimes may be common (greed, affairs, and the like), but the whole idea of presenting one side to the world while all this turbulence and drama is going on behind the scenes? I think that's a large part of why true crime can appeal to some people, too.

[(Anonymous)]

The victim's lives are gone. That's entirely the point of the genre. You would not be reading about someone who hadn't been murdered. So, an opinion that basically consists of "it's immoral not to pay attention to the innocent one" seems pretty superfluous to me, anon.

And I'd probably prefer you to any amount of people who are in the fandom acting like self-righteousness floats their boat.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't disagree with your overall point per se, but not all true crime cases are about murders. Kidnappings, sexual assaults, attempted murders etc also all get talked about depending on, like, what podcast you're listening to. There's also a decent number of true crime content that focuses more on the legal side of things, which is also equally interesting.

[(Anonymous)]

I really liked this essay talking about a true crime blog called "Something Was Wrong" and how it frequently screws up in its approach to talking about victims. I haven't listened to the blog in question, but I thought it was really interesting and could be applied to true crime in general.

https://laurarbnsn.substack.com/p/the-perfect-victim-problem