[ SECRET POST #6475 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6475 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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[Saint Seiya/Knights of the Zodiac]



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03. [SPOILERS for The Righteous Gemstones, season 3]




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04. [SPOILERS for Hell Followed With Us]




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05. [SPOILERS for Ghost: Rite Here Rite Now]
[WARNING for discussion of RL death/loss]




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06. [WARNING for discussion of sexual harassment/stalking]

[Gushing Over Magical Girls]



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07. [WARNING for discussion of JKR/transphobia]
















Notes:

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Your problem is twofold. First, and most prominently, is that Jo will not shut the fuck up for 5 minutes (unless she's being sued for potentially life-threatening slander).
Second is that HP fandom was a pop-cultural phenomenon and we have a social protocol for this situation that some HP fans simply refuse to follow.

Michael Jackson was a huge part of many people's childhoods and young adulthoods and was very important to many people for various, complicated reasons. Ditto The Cosby Show/Bill Cosby. If you're looking at more niche/geeky fandoms, Ender's Game/Speaker for the Dead and the Mists of Avalon are examples of definitive series for many, many people.

And yet, most of the fans of those properties, particularly the "online" ones, have had to come to terms with the reality that there's a big asterisk on them now. Virtually no fan is going to make any of those fandoms a major part of their online identity unless they're trying to "say something." It just requires too many disclaimers otherwise. But as long as there's a large and vocal segment of HP fandom that refuses to accept that things have changed and as long as JKR loudly uses that ongoing fandom support to bolster her hatemongering, you're kind of screwed, OP. That elephant isn't just in the room, it's tap-dancing on the dinner table with a lampshade on its head while everyone is trying to eat, and it's too much to expect the people around you to just ignore the elephant when there's bits of food and china and elephant shit flying around the room.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep. It's weird that HP fandom thinks it's the exception.

[(Anonymous)]

Oooh, those are good comparisons.

[(Anonymous)]

That last paragraph is gold, anon, a fine visual analogy.

The issue is people who aren't involved in online fandom, or ongoing fandom in general - as another comment said, your children's teacher, your neighbor down the street, the clerk at the store. A lot of them don't know much if anything at all about JKR's bullshit, and are absolutely the main drivers of still giving money to the franchise. They're the ones deliberately visiting Universal Studios for the HP stuff, buying all the food and merch, and so on.

I agree with you wholeheartedly, though. I'm a genXer, I grew up having to throw away Bill Cosby and several rock stars. I had to turn my back on CS Lewis, and then Harry Potter. I even had to end a friendship with Vic Mignogna (via prop enthusiast forums, weirdly). If I had any offline friends or family who still like HP, I'd want to have a conversation with them just to find out what they know about JKR - if the answer is nothing, I sure don't fault them for not knowing. It is surprisingly contained to the internet. But I'd still want them to know, and I'd apologize but still break the hard news to them that the author of their fave is a huge asshole driving anti-trans legislation. They have to have this information so they can do with it what they need to, especially if they care about me, a trans person.

[(Anonymous)]

You didn't HAVE to give up any of those things. I'm so saddened that people feel obligated to stop enjoying the things that they love out of moral obligation. Feelings aren't moral. Keep enjoying the things you love without spending money on the franchise. Pirate episodes of the Cosby Show. CS Lewis is dead. You will have committed no sin by simply liking the things they made.

[(Anonymous)]

DA
Agree but also see where AYRT is coming from. For the living ones who have been exposed in my lifetime, I can’t enjoy it anymore. The crime or scandal overshadows the work for me. Maybe that will change over many years but it’s really too soon to say. It hasn’t happened yet with any of them.

[(Anonymous)]

DA yeah, I was never a huge fan, fortunately, but I had one song by the Lostprophets that I really loved. After all that shit got out, I deleted it drom my hard drive and never looked back (though I sometimes still get it stuck in my head).

[(Anonymous)]

Nayrt, but this. I don’t know if I could watch Bill Cosby essentially playing his idealized version of himself and not be constantly reminded of what actual Bill Cosby has done. Good for you if you can, I guess.

[(Anonymous)]

DA but it's harder for me to compartmentalize in cases of actors who play "as themselves" than shitty people who have happen to make good art. I couldn't watch the Cosby Show again but I could re-read an old copy I own of Gaiman's works since the man himself isn't actually in the story as a character. I dunno, it makes sense to me.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, Marion Zimmer Bradley was a hugely important author to me. I have a friend for whom Ender's Game was important. And we're both very sad about it. If someone said something by those authors was one of their favourite books I wouldn't judge (some people are better at separating art and artist than I am). Same for Harry Potter - if someone is fannish about it and doesn't funnel money to JKR or support her publically, that's fine. When they're going to Harry Potter theme parks and wearing merch etc., that's not okay.

[(Anonymous)]

I still love some of those Darkover books, but I never post about them in my (bookish) Fan spaces, which does make me sad sometimes but as anon above said, I'd have to use so many disclaimers and she is at least dead!