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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2024-10-27 03:31 pm

[ SECRET POST #6505 ]


⌈ Secret Post #6505 ⌋

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[personal profile] ariakas 2024-10-27 10:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I love deconstructions myself, even the depressing ones, but I'd totally be down for more that deconstructed depressing premises to show the inherent contradictions that could be resolved to make them them hopeful.

Aside from Pratchett, do you have any other good examples?

(Anonymous) 2024-10-27 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
See, I feel like it's a lot harder to deconstruct depressing premises simply because they tend to not just handwave or gloss over things the way a lot of lighter stuff does - they actually dig into the nitty-gritty of the world and how things work.

Like, it would be very difficult to deconstruct one of my canons because the canon explicitly lays out the rules of what magic can and can't do in this world and then sticks to them, which actually becomes a major plot point at multiple points in the canon-- no, you CAN'T just use magic to fix this, because it doesn't work like that. (As an example, it's possible to magic up food, but it is specifically pointed out that this is not a practical solution because the energy expended in using the magic to create food is greater than the amount of energy you would gain from eating the food.)
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[personal profile] ariakas 2024-10-28 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
Definitely agree with you that they tend to think more about the premise/the way the world works, therefore making it harder to find contradictions, but harder =/= impossible. In fact I think the harder it is the more rewarding it would be to deconstruct. E.g., impossible via magic? Then don't use magic. Find something else.

Though tbh the common thread that I find deconstructs most depressing premises/crapsack worlds most readily is that people don't tend to find their lived realities all that bad so long as they're not a) actively starving/dying/in pain, and b) it's all they've ever known/don't have examples of something different. And if it keeps going on long enough, it will be all the people in it have ever known. Per the recent twitter thread with the shabby, threadbare Warhammer 40k servant sweeping the floors behind a space marine is meant to look grubby and feudal and depressing, but as many of the comments all point out, that's a great job! Reliable work! Regular meals! Protected from xeno attacks! Utmost honor serving the Emperor's own angels! That guy probably loves his life.