[ SECRET POST #6510 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6510 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

As a fan of M/M with little interest in F/F, I love that this argument is gaining steam actually. It's one step closer to you guys admitting the truth to the statement that female characters are less likely to be written well. If your argument is "Male characters who aren't written well are popular!" you're not contesting that female characters aren't written well, you're just adding the fact that some male characters aren't either and are popular in spite of it.

So what you want is flat female characters to get the same amount of love as flat male characters? Is that it? Sure, let's examine that. Why do you think flat male characters are loved? I bet it's because "Female fans think they're hot." So if that's the only reason, it's still a reason. If hotness is all they have going for them, straight female fans have absolutely no reason to give any love to flat female characters. If you, who love female characters, love them because they're hot, nothing is stopping you from pouring love onto the flat female characters only because they're hot and ignoring the flat male characters because they're not. You and the M/M shippers are doing the exact same thing for your preferred gender of flat character. The only difference is that M/M shippers are asked by you over and over to justify themselves for it and then told liking them because they're hot is bad and unfeminist. And then you say "Just admit you like them because they're hot and there won't be a problem" as if you haven't already made it a problem by admonishing them for admitting it.

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[(Anonymous)]

Babe, 99% of what I read is slash. But I think it is fucking hilarious when slash shippers get all philosophical about why they ship slash pairings instead of admitting that they think two guys fucking is hot.

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[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it has to be all or nothing. Maybe some ship their slash ships in part because "they think two guys fucking is hot", but it doesn't mean they don't also/mainly ship them for more profound reasons. The hotness might have been a (one of the) spark(s), but it's not enough to fuel the fire and keep it burning. I don't get why you think you can know what's in their head and assume they're lying when they explain why they ship what they ship. To contradict your idea that slash ships exist because "two guys fucking are hot", there're slash ships popular with lesbian and asexual fans.

Re: op

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

I don't think they're saying what you think they're saying though.

"Slash as a genre, overall, across fandoms, is popular because male characters are written better overall, across canons and genres" makes sense as an argument. It's pretty hard to say that the latter part is false, unless you're also saying that "female characters are just as well written overall, across canons and genres," and that we don't need them to be written any better or given more lead roles or more room in casts than they are which... oof, is not an argument I'd want to make.

But slash as a genre being popular overall doesn't mean that any one shipper or any one fandom in particular, have to ship a particular ship for those reasons. It only is saying that this reason is a big factor in the overarching trend. Anyone can ship any two characters just because they're hot. This goes for flat female characters just as much as flat male ones. But male characters are more often leads, make up more of casts, have more diversity in general. This leads to more opportunities for slash because they're featured more, especially in genres like action/adventure, thriller, superhero, shounen animanga, etc.

"Porn featuring women is more common because female characters are more sexualized in general" is not disproven by "but this one fandom sexualized this totally unsexualized female character and it got real popular there, so sexualization has nothing to do with it." It does, and that's not what they were saying in the first place.