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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2024-12-09 06:05 pm

[ SECRET POST #6548 ]


⌈ Secret Post #6548 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2024-12-09 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Nah man, it is the reading. Kids are unable to read whole works and need "interactive media" or to have works broken into small bite size bits to be able to function. Plus, reading comprehension is at an all time low. So even if they are able to read they don't fully understand what they're reading unless someone spoon feeds it to them.

I work in education in the US. It has gotten so bad over the past 5 years or so, though there had been a noticeable decline even before that.

(Anonymous) 2024-12-10 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
I assumed by young people OP meant like 20 year olds, not literal minors. Pretty sure Dracula Daily was mostly non-children.

(Anonymous) 2024-12-10 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
I have friends that are college professors and seeing the same shit. Our education system is fundamentally broken in America.

(Anonymous) 2024-12-10 02:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm curious how your friends feel about this piece.

https://articleclub.substack.com/p/465-a-viral-article-i-disliked

(Anonymous) 2024-12-10 03:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I'll send it to them! Though it didnt seem to have much to say other than critiquing one woman's article.

(Anonymous) 2024-12-10 03:55 pm (UTC)(link)
AYRT

The critique is partly aimed at professors and what they consider proper literacy. The comments on the critique are also fairly insightful.

(Anonymous) 2024-12-10 12:12 am (UTC)(link)
I follow the blog of an undergrad biology professor in Minnesota. For about five years now he's been aghast at how horribly the students actually understand the readings. First he tried doing a remedial Biology 101 class, but realized it wasn't the science so much as the actual ability to read. So now he's floating a remedial English/Scientific reading class with the English department.

(Anonymous) 2024-12-10 01:09 am (UTC)(link)
Is he at the U of M Morris by chance?

(Anonymous) 2024-12-10 01:14 am (UTC)(link)
Do you follow PZed too? I much preferred when he was doing zebra fish studies. I love what spiders do, but I hate looking at them.

(Anonymous) 2024-12-10 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
Well. Consider this new anon intrigued. I am going to have to look this guy up.

(Anonymous) 2024-12-10 05:38 am (UTC)(link)
20yr olds are still children. They just are.

(Anonymous) 2024-12-10 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
I used to be a teacher in the US south (I'm tangentially still in education but no longer teaching - administration was actually the deciding factor for me there). There is definitely a decrease in students' reading skills. It's appalling.

(Anonymous) 2024-12-10 03:08 pm (UTC)(link)
How do you feel about legal moves to update reading education at the state level?

https://education.mn.gov/MDE/dse/READ/

https://www.minnpost.com/community-voices/2024/09/minnesotas-teacher-preparation-programs-must-change-for-the-read-act-to-change-outcomes/

(Anonymous) 2024-12-10 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
It's none of that. It's the short form social media. Tweets and tiktok videos and instagram "stories" that are only a minute, post cute pictures, get the one liner, the news will cut it down to five seconds.

Education is down, literacy is down, attention spans are down. Even a large number people on AO3, the reading website, couldn't parse out what the rewrite of the TOS was saying, even though it was the exact same policy written in more accessible language. Hell, see secret number 5 to get someone who doesn't understand that words have meanings irrespective of their emotions on the matter.

Listening to Dracula Daily isn't interactive. It's not about the interactivity.

(Anonymous) 2024-12-10 12:07 am (UTC)(link)
As someone for whom interactivity is a big factor, I kind of get where this is coming from. I could probably read a 300 page novel in a visual novel format but would fall asleep if it was a movie I had to sit there and do nothing but watch.

At the same time, I'm not sure if it's an "everyone" thing.

(Anonymous) 2024-12-10 02:49 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I'm the same way. Just sitting and reading plain text is unbearably boring to me, but an audio book with a good narrator who gives all of the characters different voices or a visual novel with voices and images or even just a graphic novel? Love those.

(Anonymous) 2024-12-10 03:12 am (UTC)(link)
Honest question: Do you not have the capability to do voices and visualize on your own? Like it isn't just plain text on a page for me. I get annoyed sometimes with audiobooks because the narrator is using different tone or voices than what I imagine when reading.

(Anonymous) 2024-12-10 03:37 am (UTC)(link)
I can, but it's just not as enjoyable to me. I'm a very audio/visual oriented person - like I almost always have music going while I'm working or a TV show or podcast on in the BG because I hate silence. I also much prefer to watch a YouTube video explaining a cooking technique than read about it in a cookbook, for example. I just absorb stuff better that way.

(Anonymous) 2024-12-10 02:23 am (UTC)(link)
I can’t relate to this at all. I can’t watch or listen to things unless I’m actively doing something else like driving because they’re just too passive activities. But reading is fully engaging for me; I’m holding the book and occupying my eyes and brain. With TV or podcasts, it’s just sitting there with nothing to interact with.

(Anonymous) 2024-12-10 02:47 am (UTC)(link)
Same!

It is a big reason why I prefer physical books too. Holding a tablet or whatever just isn't the same has holding the book and turning the physical pages.

I think reading books and playing video games are the only "activities" that fully engage my attention span and I can lose hours to them.

(Anonymous) 2024-12-10 03:01 am (UTC)(link)
I just got burnt out on what my teachers wanted me to read because it was never things I enjoyed (I still hate In Cold Blood because of the fucking tangents that guy went on).

(Anonymous) 2024-12-10 03:09 am (UTC)(link)
But you know you can read books that aren't assigned to you, right? Teachers are not the gatekeepers of your reading journey, they are the introduction.

(Anonymous) 2024-12-10 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
DA
You do understand that it is an emotional damage that person needs to overcome? It is possible but it is still can be really hard depending on a lot of factors

(Anonymous) 2024-12-10 04:35 am (UTC)(link)
I do. But it was a lot of damage because it was a lot of unenjoyable reading. Reading grew boring, very much so, especially when I was in all honors classes and thus the only time I had to read was the assigned shit. It became frustrating and I got tired of reading because often I'd be reading the same paragraphs multiple times before I remembered it.