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fandomsecrets2009-09-20 04:13 pm
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[ SECRET POST #989 ]
⌈ Secret Post #989 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 19 pages, 460 secrets from Secret Submission Post #142.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 4 5 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat ], [ 1 2 3 4 - doing it wrong ], [ 1 2 - posted twice ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
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That is not at all what I was intending to suggest. Slash fandom already is pretty much a safe zone for women, but that is simply because of demographics. I'm not particularly invested in the idea that it must be so, I'm simply pointing out that it is. I'm not especially interested in being "safe" online, if that means never encountering people who disagree with me or who write things that make me uncomfortable.
So long as the majority of slash fans online are women, whatever "safety" one can find in such a space will be of a sort that caters to them.
And although some slash writers court gay men as readers, I know I don't. I'm happy when gay men enjoy my stories, of course, but it doesn't bother me if they don't. I write for myself.
I think you need to recognize that for many people, slash is not about realistic gay people. That a lot of girls who write slash do it with the intentional objectification of males in mind, and with the same level of prurience you'd find with straight men going on about their girl-on-girl fantasies. Who in their right mind thinks that the typical straight man's lesbian fantasies have anything to do with actual lesbians? Why should women have to conform their fantasies to your comfort, if that means sacrificing a part of what they found hot about their fantasies to begin with?
My point of view is that no one should "give up" anything to anyone when it comes to writing out their fan stories. People should write out their OWN fantasies, period, realistic or not. If you want realistic slash, write it yourself, or seek out the stories which feature such sex. I myself tend to prefer realism in my slash, but I don't begrudge those writers who disagree, because they are writing for themselves. Demographically, as a gay man in a predominantly female part of fandom, you will always be outnumbered. But that doesn't mean you have to feel outclassed. Just do your own thing, and the girls who you want to commune with WILL find you.
Slash fandom already is integrated, as well as it ever will be... but it's never going to be a melting pot where people merge their points of views, but rather an eclectic soup containing a bunch of distinct flavors. Why not embrace THIS, and stop worrying about your comfort, or anyone else's? Be yourself online, ignore the haters, and in general... stop looking for things to happen which won't ever happen. All you're doing is hurting yourself with your unrealistic expectations.
The big lie of slash fandom is that it has anything to do with promoting awareness of gay rights or gay identity issues. Any girl who feels that simply participating in slash fandom is enough to make her more enlightened is severely mistaken. Slash is a fantasy, cut off from reality. Some parts of the fantasy are directly against true gay rights. But just as a woman should feel free to indulge in the dirtiest, most exploitative rape fantasies while still not approving of rape IRL, I think women should be allowed their exploitative sexual fantasies about gay men, so long as those fantasies don't bleed over into how they treat gay men IRL or online. My big beef with female slash writers re: gay men is that all too often they tend to put the gay men in their fandoms on these pedestals of absolute adoration, and seem to think that their cooing and fawning is anything other than insultingly fetishistic. I really could care less about the dumbass fantasies people write in their stories, but imho all slash writers would do well to become more cognizant of the actual gay community. Not to make their own stories more realistic, but to make their treatment of actual gay men to be more respectful and human.