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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2025-01-01 07:04 pm

[ SECRET POST #6571 ]


⌈ Secret Post #6571 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2025-01-02 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
Here's the thing: it's true that the author's worldview is inevitably going to have a profound effect on the book. It's NOT true that

1) that effect will be interpreted """correctly""" by readers coming in with different viewpoints and cultural contexts. As an example, tons and tons and tons of people, including William Blake, were completely convinced that John Milton must have been secretly anti-god, because they brought their own revolutionary and anti-church sentiments to the work. Only for some of Milton's personal notes on bible translation to be found in a drawer 300 odd years after his death proving conclusively that he was genuinely an extremely devout Christian.

2) that enjoyment of a work shaped by a worldview is necessarily in a spirit of agreement with that worldview. I personally genuinely love reading Lovecraft, and I would never say you can separate the art from the artist. His quivering racist terror at the hint of the idea that a white man might NOT be the center of the universe is the seed from which all of cosmic horror is grown. However, as someone who is Italian and loves tentacles and Deep Time and the wonderful smallness of humanity in a vast and uncaring universe, to me Lovecraft reads like cozy comedy. Not "Oh No What Is This Mysterious Horrifying Thing Beyond My Ken" but "ooooooh when's this dipshit gonna realize it's fish people /munches popcorn"

TLDR: artists do impact the art, and it can be especially apparent in books, but the experience of enjoying a book is way, way too nuanced for your dipshit take to handle

(Anonymous) 2025-01-02 02:02 am (UTC)(link)
I haven't read the examples but I agree. I personally don't "separate the art from the artist", if anything when I learn of the artist's politics and worldviews I integrate that into my understanding of the work. For example I found out weeks ago that one of my favorite TV shows was made by someone who leaned pretty conservative, and while the show doesn't really preach anything it made me go "oh, huh. I can see it." But my experience with the work itself is kind of its own thing, you know?
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[personal profile] philstar22 2025-01-02 03:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Yup. Especially to the first one. Just speaking from personal experience in the Tolkien fandom, a vast majority of the readers don't agree with Tolkien's worldview, at least not fully. There are lots of fascinating discussions exploring the world from all sorts of different perspectives. Middle Earth speaks to a lot of people from a lot of different worldviews.