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⌈ Secret Post #6655 ⌋

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[fscom]

05. https://i.imgur.com/VR0uQvz.jpeg

[(Anonymous)]

I get you, but there are so many hurdles to overcome:

1. it would have to be a literal children's series bc the books were written for 8 year olds and it shows

2. in the wake of Wicked everyone would want grimdark subversion instead of faithful to the books and would be mad when the children's series is too soft and twee for their adult tastes

3. holy god how do you tone down the 1910s sexism, especially in Land of Oz?

4. aside from anything with the Nome King there really isn't any conflict to drive a plot. slice of Oz life only gets you so far, especially when the resolution of every book is "and then either Glinda, Ozma, or the Wizard did a magic and now everyone is happy the end"

5.each book is suuuuuuper short so idk how you'd get a whole season out of each one. pacing would be a major issue, if you did 2-4 books per season.

On the other hand, thanks to the Wicked movie there's a high bar for costuming, sets, and practical effects, so maybe it would at least look pretty. Maybe they could do hella makeup instead of CGI for Prof. Wogglebug and the Frogman. Anyhing but CGI for any of it omg.

Maybe a gentle Animal Crossing-style video game instead? Explore Oz, find the magical places and events, no one dies and editing the setting to remove the 1910s problematic content would be much easier.

[(Anonymous)]

Not OP, but I think what you would want to do is combine several books for each season. It's easy enough to do, given that the books do keep to a sort of consistent timeline. You might be over-estimating the appeal of adding more drama to this series. Plenty of children's series have had a good run on the 'we have a problem and some internal conflict, everyone learns a valuable lesson about being ourselves/taking responsibility/overthrowing illegitimate governments, and we have a tidy resolution until the next time' formula.
However, at the time in which it was written, Oz and its problems were juxtaposed against the real world that its readers were living in and its problems. Good writers could probably use that to their advantage. Even bad writers could make decent parallels to where we are now.

I have no idea what to do about the period-typical sexism. It's a lot.

[(Anonymous)]

Not for nothing but L. Frank Baum's mother-in-law was a suffragette leader, he himself was a suffragist, and it's been widely posited that General Jinjur was his satire of the eras "fake feminists" who jumped on the suffragism wagon without wanting to know anything about the struggle to bring about Women's Rights or any kind of depth to the arguments and believed it was all about Getting out of the Kitchen and Making Men do the Chores.

I don't think this would come through in adaptation because clearly it wasn't written well enough for its audience to pick up on, but maybe give Baum *some* credit.

[(Anonymous)]

He probably meant well, but the execution relied on leaning into a bunch of unfortunate stereotypes of both women in general and feminists specifically. We live in a society and all that.

[(Anonymous)]

that does provide some extremely needed context, thank you! but also I agree with anon above me that it wouldn't work as intended in a fully faithful adaptation. a lot of work to do there.

at least toning down the sexism in dialogue is easier, mostly by omitting it entirely, but everything with Jinjur would be the hard part since her conquest is the main part of the plot of that book.

[erinptah]

+1

I don't even know if it was confusing to the audience at the time, or if it's just confusing for modern readers because we don't have the IRL context to recognize who he's satirizing.

In a modern retelling, I'd broaden it from just being about sexism, and make Jinjur the kind of "leader" who always has a Social Justice Reason for why she's right, anyone disagreeing with her deserves to be shamed and belittled, and the only way to be a good ally is to join her in attacking them. The reasons would flip around to whatever made her current target look bad, even if it's the complete opposite of how she made her last target look bad. Have Jack Pumpkinhead periodically notice this and ask why, just to really underline it for the slower members of the audience.

...I know some readers would miss the point no matter how obvious you made it, but it could be a fun read for the rest of us.

[starfleetbrat]

I haven't read the books to confirm, and its been decades since I watched it, but the 1986 Anime is meant to be a pretty faithful adaption of the first three books (and part of the sixth book) before it diverges into its own thing. Its not live action of course, but its an adaption.

the story arcs are described here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wonderful_Wizard_of_Oz_(TV_series)

All the eps are on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwHT6S3CnpERlkHxl-PpLafhwrlvCgTsV

[luxshine]

I was very late to say this.

[(Anonymous)]

having just reread Wicked the book, it's extremely weird to think of the musical/movieverse as "grimdark" when they're SO conventional and palatable in comparison

[(Anonymous)]

Compared to the Baum books*? The musical might not be Game of Thrones, but it's at least The Hunger Games.


*Except for Chopfyt.

[(Anonymous)]

No, Wicked the musical & movie compared to Wicked the book by Gregory McGuire, which is...I don't know if I would call it grimdark exactly, but which is deeply uninterested in the kind of simple emotional satisfaction that the musical's archetypes allow for. It's grimy and relentlessly horny and it's full of casually bleak sociopolitical bitterness with no easy answers or anything effective even happening. The Quadling genocide happens years before the destruction of Animal rights to basically zero fanfare. In the book, Elphaba's attempts at pro-Animal terrorism are just as useless as Glinda's complicity or Nessarose's religious zealotry. After she fails to assassinate Madame Morrible she hides as a nun for seven years. When she finally decides to go finish the job, it's pointless because Madame Morrible dies of old age 5 minutes before she gets there. Nobody ever accomplishes anything worthwhile, things just keep getting worse until Elphaba dies. Elphaba and Glinda aren't even really close, Elphaba's deepest friendship, if you want to call it that, is with Boq, and then with Fiyero's widow Serima. Who gets murdered by the wizard's army, and her daughter Nor is abducted and kept in chains as a permanent hostage.

ELPHABA'S NOT EVEN VERY GOOD AT MAGIC in the book. She's not even the one who rescues the lion cub in the book - she voices objections, but it's other students, completely unnamed, who actually remove it from the cage and take it away from the shitty professor. The emotional core of the book is messy and vivid and uncomfortable and not remotely cathartic the way Defying Gravity is. It's not a book that's INTERESTED in 'how do we change the world' or even 'bonds are worthwhile in the broken world'. It's interested in how the personal and political wounds of alienation and stigma create a specific strange sad reviled figure, and whether the label of 'evil' means anything in world that works that way. It's meandering and philosophical and kind of cold to its own characters.

It's a WILDLY different beast to the musical, and I think they're both very good at the very different things they're trying to do, but yeah, the audience that loves Wicked-the-popular-musical-move is not the audience that wants Grimdark shit imo.

Also, The Hunger Games isn't remotely grimdark. Taking meaningful moral action in THG universe is both possible and worthwhile. Collins has an extremely specific viewpoint on this and is very blunt about it. Wicked the musical is also still not as dark AS the hunger games, because it's simply too compressed and twee and it can't make anyone Too Awful - the Wizard is a bad smarmy quasi-fascist, yes, but he's going to LEAVE, it's FINE. And he still gets to be Jeff Goldblum, you know? all the really nasty edges are sanded off.

[(Anonymous)]

You are wildly missing the point of this entire thread, but you seem to have very big thoughts about this. Maybe you should make your own secret about it.