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[ SECRET POST #6675 ]

⌈ Secret Post #6675 ⌋

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Shipping something that's fanon and having fun with it.

I know the 'it's going to happen!!!' people have always been here to a degree, but I really feel like this insistence that a fanon ship is totes going to go canon has gotten worse over the last 10 years? Fans aren't just having fun with the ship in fanon and writing their fic, they're 100% expecting their ship to go canon when there's no indication that it will and when it doesn't the fandom turns into an absolute shit show(well more of one).

I just... don't get it? Shipping fanon is fun and it doesn't need to be canon to make it valid? But I think some fans care more about being right than enjoying a ship they supposedly love.

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When do you think it really took off? I remember Harry/Hermione shippers being veeeeeery salty about the canon ships and ATLA had awful ship wars. And there were always ship wars in zine communities and mailing lists back in the day. But the shipping drama and harassment in the VLD fandom or in SU felt really over the top in a new way, is it just because of the nature of modern social media or has fandom shifted?

AYRT.

You know? I think social media, to a degree, has helped to worsen it because before when people would make their posts it’d be on their personal web spaces, live journal/tumblr/whatever, but with access to the show writers on twitter it’s taken on a nasty new level where bitter fans harass and vent their frustrations at the poor people making a story. I think it started in the early 2010’s and because none of us really caught it things only got worse. Add to the fact that the actors and creatives on these shows can’t really push back as they should be more than allowed to I think it’s given fans the seeming right to act this way and I hate it.

It’s like the extreme end of entitled as fuck customers in retail but in fandom.

ayrt

Access to show runners and actors is definitely part of it and how fandom is no longer separate from the creative team. There can be a big sense of entitlement that comes with that access, and nasty bullying behavior towards creatives. This isn't a wholly new thing but is a lot more common from what I can tell with the rise of sites like twitter where your favorite actor, favorite writer and favorite ship fan artists are all on the same platform without separate communities for chatting. The comparison to retail is interesting.

AYRT.

I work in retail so a lot of the entitled behaviours I see in fandom remind me so much of the worst customers I'll meet in a week of work who will be rancid to my face but because I have to be 'professional' I can't cuss them out in kind, and imo creatives on twitter fall into the same issue, they can't tell fans to fuck off 'because it won't look good'. And tbh I say fuck that when fans are being pieces of shit over a ship of all things.

I don't want to sound like a chud, but I wonder if the whole "representation matters" and "media as activism" schtick was what made young adults in that era go harder about their ship wars or ships not being canon. Most of the HP and ATLA ship-to-ship combat were M/F, but in other fandoms people were outright called racist or homophobic if their interracial or gay ship wasn't made canon or any shippy interactions must be "queerbaiting" if it didn't become canon.

ayrt

Definitely an aspect of it in some nasty ship wars. I wonder how much of it has to do with the possibility of the ship ending up as canon and with how nowadays stories feature canon queer ships more often. Some of the worst shipping wars I can think of are over which straight ship would be canon, while a lot of slash shippers in the same fandoms had no delusions that their ship would ever get a hint of canon evidence. I think that was part of the emotional intensity behind the VLD shipping wars, knowing that there was a chance the show would go there. Plus the attitude you mention, being over invested in fandom activism. Plus the rise of modern social media. Idk.

I get what you are saying I think, anyway. While representation is important fandom social justice can definitely end up very preoccupied with trivial aspects of it, misusing the concepts to justify shipping wank.

OP of thread.

Oh I do think the activism side of it has heavily contributed to why shipping wank is so widespread and nasty. Someone doesn't just have a different opinion or idea, they're -ist because of it! (There are people who are legit bigoted pieces of shit in fandom, but it's not the majority of people being accused of these issues). And it just makes fandom miserable as a whole and I say this as someone who's not white and queer, I like canon rep I get! But shipping is not that at all but we have people acting like it is.

Yeah, there were always obnoxious ship wars (Buffy or Harry Potter or AtLA for example) but I have never enjoyed the way people bully the actors or showrunners over it, or declare that the show getting the "wrong" couple together is racist/homophobic/misogynist etc.

AYRT.

The ending of Bleach in fandom was fucking wild as well, and I was only half clued into it but the tantrums over the ‘wrong’ ships being canon was truly something else. And I didn’t like one of those ships but I didn’t burn my copies of the mange I do have. But then I also felt that Kubo trolled that fandom right back so it at least felt a bit more even on his end? But no creator should have to deal with whiny butthurt fans not getting something they were never even promised.

nayrt

Omfg, the drama over the Bleach ending was too much. I say that as someone who loved the manga in middle and high school, and reallyyyyy hoped a ship would get together who ended up not being one of the canon pairings. Somehow I moved on with my life without blaming Kubo for not making my OTP kiss.

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