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[ SECRET POST #1005 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1005 ⌋

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[Final Fantasy 9/Phoenix Wright/Mega Man/Gurren Lagann]

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[Patrick Stewart/Jeremy Northam/Hugh Laurie/Cary Grant]

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[Fame]

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[Scott Gairdner]

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[Zero Punctuation, Guitar Hero World Tour, Neon Genesis Evangelion]

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[Questionable Content]

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[Homeward Bound]

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[Supernatural/Pita-Ten]

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[Lena Headey]

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[Elijah Wood]

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[Life on Mars]

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[Good Omens]

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[Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog]

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[Song of Ice and Fire]

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[Life on Mars]

I don't watch either of your shows but your general love and let love sentiment is something I really support. good for you!

I loved the American version of Life On Mars. Well, I loved all of it except for the last episode (seriously, I just pretend that's not canon). I tried watching the British version, but it bored me. So, you're not alone :)

Did I write this in my sleep? Rock on, lovin' OP.

I LOVED LoM US. I tried to watch LoM UK, I saw the first several episodes and found it boring and the pairing of Sam/Gene there did nothing for me. It didn't help that I was HORRIFIED by the way the UK fandom treated the US show. They cheered when it was cancelled. WTF? Why couldn't they respect my show the way I respected theirs?

The pairing of LoM UK is not Gene/Sam, it's Sam/Annie.. Not everybody who watched it and loved it was a slasher, far from it.

And LoM US was a shitty show that didn't manage to capture 20% of the imagination or the cleverness or the charm of the original. It was just a whole of "not getting it".

Your show was a remake. People always condemn remakes - unless they're good. Deal with it.

I've not watched the US version yet so this is by no means me getting on its case, because I agree with your overall comment OP. People should just let people who love things get on with it. If they don't like something they don't have to watch.

BUT I think from a UK person's point of view, it does sometimes get annoying when our shows are remade in the US all the time because they very rarely translate well. It's wrong to assume something you haven't seen would fit that pattern but I am guessing that's where some of the UK-based hate might be coming from. People are very protective of LoM over here so perhaps they see a remake as a slight against the original as well.

However, for all I know the US LoM is one of those remakes that actually works. So I won't assume anything about the actual show.

^this, because the reverse never happens. Good US shows get screened in the UK as they are - there's no expectation that they should be 'translated'. It's annoying because it's a form of US cultural imperialism - the networks are basically declaring the products of other cultures to be not fit for your consumption - and as a US fan it's probably best for you to try not to take the annoyance that causes personally, or as a slur against your version of the show.

I'm sure this isn't the case, but if there aren't any non-US English language TV/movies you like, you should probably ask yourself a few questions about why not.

^^ Both of these. I'm American but as it turns out most of my favorite shows are British and it's just the *idea* that a show needs to be re-made for American audiences when the original versions speak the same dang language, it's just offensive. I heard that US LoM was pretty good, but it still bugged me that it had to be made at all.

Also, who the hell is still talking about this? I think everyone needs to move on. UK LoM still is awesome, US LoM still got canceled, nothing to see here, move along.

Amen to this. Couldn't agree more!

How many UK shows do you know of which have been remade? I can only think of the Office, LoM, Coupling, and Queer as Folk (and Antiques Roadshow, but that doesn't really count, and it airs alongside the UK version). I can think of many more that aired unaltered--Red Dwarf, Dr. Who, Torchwood, Monarch of the Glen, Little Britain, Monty Python, the originals of the remade shows... a bunch, really, (to say nothing of the anglophilia fueled by Harry Potter and the fact that 90% of our public television miniseries are Andrew Davies imports) though presumably not nearly as many as the US exports. Anyway, I think it's a stretch to call a handful of examples "all the time" and then say they very rarely "translate well" when several have been hits and LoM got good reviews but not enough viewers to keep it on the air.

The US Life on Mars was very good, and I actually prefer it to the original. It's just a personal preference; I liked the characters and pacing better on the US version. That isn't always the case for me and I understand why someone else might prefer the original, but I don't understand why the mere existence of a remake is so offensive to some. It gets tiresome when people complain about the same things when a) remakes are a rare occurrence, and b) they have everything to do with the profit model of US TV rather than "translating" it or dumbing it down for a US audience. It's the reason Dr. Who would never be remade here but the Office and LoM both had to be if they were going to air on network TV.

It's been going on for years and years and years... Many iconic American TV shows, the ones most Americans can reference are remakes of Brit shows like Archie Bunker ('Til Death Do Us Part), Sanford & Son (Steptoe and Son) and even Three's Company (Robin's Nest).

Hell, the last failed Bill Cosby show was an attempted remake of One Foot in the Grave.

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The IT Crowd, Peep Show.. Tons of UK shows have been attempted, maybe even made a pilot for US TV but those pilots have been so horrendous they've given up on it.

It's not a stretch because okay, only a handful have been remade but also, only a handful of British shows are good. So they make the really good shows, and they rarely succeed. For every The Office there's 3 or 4 total failures.

Little Britain didn't air unaltered, they made a separate series called Little Britain America. Same with the Ali G show. Those were good because they had the same makers as the British shows. The humor worked because everybody knew what they were doing, what they were going for.

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Not joining in on the debate as I'm pretty much on the fence in this one (can completely understand the knee-jerk reaction against remakes but it all comes down to money and US scheduling eventually - there are only 16 episodes of UK LoM total, that's not even a full American season!), but just to say that they did try to remake a US Red Dwarf. It was apparently truly, truly dreadful. The guy who played Cat in the remake was Sweet in the musical episode of Buffy which is the only other thing I know about it!

I would point out that most of the UK shows that air unaltered in America air on channels like BBC America which not everyone has and not many people watch unless they're deliberately looking for British TV. To make it on to network television, like you said, they simply have to have more episodes. However good the original is, most British shows have 6-12 episodes a series which doesn't fit the American schedules.

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Hey, I wasn't saying those things. Perhaps I wasn't clear. I was saying that's what I've heard/the general impression I get when people are complaining about US remakes. I think sometimes people feel something is lost. The show is their precious and anything that changes the original format just isn't the same/is being dumbed down/whatever excuse they use.

Anyway, in addition to your list off the top of my head I know several attempts were made to remake Fawlty Towers - and they all bombed, which does suggest to me that for that show in particular there were issues with changing the setting.

Also good point on Doctor Who but remember the TVM was made to attract American audiences and I see plenty of bitching about that (and it's not even a remake), not that I'm among that number because I think that in general the plot would've sucked no matter where you set it!

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You have no idea how much I hate to even mention this but yes, the networks have been considering remaking Doctor Who and no cultural switch was needed for shows like Coupling to make sense either.

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I didn't really watch either version, but I agree with your overall sentiments about liking things and letting other people like things. It makes me sad when I don't like a show my friends do, or when a show hugely lets me down. I don't mind critiquing things I like, but the banner people hoist for hating things, and how mean they can be to the people who like them (and vice versa!) I really don't get.

Wow, I could've written this. I love LoM US. :)

Maybe it's simply a culture thing, and some non-UK viewers will find the original LoM series boring because it's dealing with pop culture references and other stuff that they won't be familiar with and so won't cause as much excitement of recognition. I know that the UK LoM is the only one for me because I grew up in the 70s and the minutiae of the period that infuses the show brings back a lot of memories, and I can relate to it so much more in a way that non-UK viewers wouldn't - whereas for many US viewers that's probably why the US LoM speaks so much more to them! :¬)

I'm a non-British, English-second-language LoM fan. I'm sure it's more near and dear to those fans who lived in 70's UK and know that period of time and have fond memories of it but for the rest of us, it was a fine, clever, imaginative police show with suberb acting, great humor, lovable characters and good 70's rock.

So believe me, it works for the non-UK watchers as well. Which is why it's so successful - not just a nostalgia bath, but a great show for all fans of quality drama. (I'm personally shocked some people found it boring in this thread.. I tried watching the US remake. Now that was boring!)

Hmmm, very interesting observations - thank you! And yes, I take huge exception to LoM UK being described as "boring" too - but then I've also seen US viewers claim QaF USA was superior to the original UK version, and in both cases I think that's bullshit. Each has its own merits, but Jeez...

I liked the US LoM and the UK LoM.

Having said that, when I heard about it I wasn't really that thrilled that it was being redone simply because I'm a huge fan of John Simm and it was upsetting to see an actor cast in the role John Simm had originated who seemed to have been cast simply because he was the network's idea of someone who would be more physically appealing to an American audience.

Yes, this is exactly how I felt about it. Relatedly, it's also how I felt about recasting State of Play for the big screen. I like either version, but the thought that these brilliant actors would be dropped because of the Hollywood money-making machine was annoying.

The casting of the US version was horrendous. Jason O'Mara can't act his way out of a paper bag and Harvey Keitel is, while a great actor, 30 years too old to play Gene. The image of a 70 year old, now somewhat frail looking Keitel "menacing" Jason "my neck is bigger than my head" O'Mara was just hysterical.

If the US remake had been just about changing the cultural markers to suit the US audience, as the Spanish version was, that would have been understandable but it became apparent early on, with the truly dreadful California set original pilot that they just didn't "get" a lot of what was going on. For a start, if they did, it would have been set somewhere like Detroit rather than LA or New York.

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