[ SECRET POST #6752 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6752 ⌋

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Comments

Re: fandom tagging

[(Anonymous)]

It would make sense, but I haven't seen it.

My impression is that fandom tends to default to using pluralistic, open-ended words for fictional stuff:

-slash for explicit relationships between men. We forget how controversial describing without judging this, even in fiction, really was for a long time, because that view has become much more mainstream very quickly.

-whump for putting a character through adversity, that can involve their graphic torture and serious injury.

-noncon to encompass the range of things a reader might be responding favorably to if that's a kink of theirs, yet want to avoid in a broad way if coercion itself squicks them.

-underage for all the possibilities that combine sensual experiences and children. The descriptor's clear, yet neutral enough that writers adopt it voluntarily. Whereas, even the AO3 changing their tag to "underage sex" sparked a lot of conflict. IMO, rightly.

We take this finesse for granted in fandom, because it's touched so many areas, and it's barely visible when it's facilitating a lack of conflict between fans and squicked people.

But it seems like no coincidence to me that something squicked people consistently try to do, when they want other people to buy into their moral crusading, is replace words that don't inherently cast the imaginary thing as depraved and evil with words that do.

Re: fandom tagging

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it would make sense at all? Noncon and rape are different things. If a fic has someone hold down and forcibly kiss someone else who is terrified did not want it at all but let them go afterward, I would hope it has a noncon tag. But if that were tagged "rape" it would not describe that content.

Re: fandom tagging

[(Anonymous)]

IME, everything that people would want tagged as rape gets called noncon, in fanfics. A lot of stuff that involves (blatant, generally sexual) coercion also gets called noncon. Depending on which value judgment the writer makes, your forced kiss would likely apply. But the only place I've found anyone making those two things separate tags is on the AO3.

None of the fan-writers I know tag for rape as opposed to noncon. And it's only ever the sexual stories that attract this "your terms aren't specific enough!" discourse - we somehow manage to agree that whump is imprecise as all heck without fans insisting we need a separate tag for "assault and battery" in fics.

Re: fandom tagging

[(Anonymous)]

Whump is a genre, but both rape and noncon is a kink or event, not really comparable. The whump tag usually comes with other tags denoting what happens, which may include noncon or rape or both or neither.

Hurt/comfort is a genre and lots of hurt/comfort involves rape but they are tagged separately for good reason. We don't argue about what hurt/comfort is because we recognize it can be many other things.

Hurt/comfort and whump both do not need to be sexual in nature.

Re: fandom tagging

[(Anonymous)]

Oh I HATE the change to "underage sex"-- "underage" is a useful tag for a fic where a couple of horny teens make out but don't go beyond that. It's a useful tag for a fic where a young character explores their sexuality without a partner. It's a useful tag for a fic where a 17 year old has a romantic connection with an older character and they make the decision not to have sex until they're both legal adults. And "underage sex" does not describe ANY of those fics, but someone who isn't comfortable reading those things is still going to be grateful for a big, impossible to miss tag telling them not to click on that story!