[ SECRET POST #1031 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1031 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

101.


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102.
[Friends]


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103.
[NCIS]


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104.
[Legally Blonde/Ace Attorney]


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105.
[De Cape & De Crocs]


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106.
[Monk]


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107.
[Mew]


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108.
[X-Factor]


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109.
[NCIS]


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110.
[Skins]


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111.
[Psychonauts]


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112.
[Better Off Ted]


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113.
[Fist of the North Star]


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114.
[Making Fiends]


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115.
[Death Note]


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116.
[Katekyo Hitman Reborn!]


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117.
[Heroes]


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118.
[House]


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119.
[Monk]


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120.
[craig ferguson ]


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121.
[Shugo Chara]


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122.
[Iron Man Armored Adventures]


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123.
[The Irrefutable Truth About Demons]


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124.
[Megaman X: Command Mission]


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125.
[American Idol]


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126.
[Sean Lennon and Dhani Harrison]


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127.
[James Sutton/Hollyoaks/Emmerdale]


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128.
[team fortress 2]


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129.
[Star Trek, Star Wars: KOTOR]


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130.
[Pushing Daisies]


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131.
[Harry Potter]


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132.
[Tekken, LoZ/SSBB]


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133.
[Fusion Fall]


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134.
[Terry Pratchett]


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135.
[House]


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136.
[Dragonheart]


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137.
[Ghost in the shell 2: Innocence]


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138.
[The Thick of It]


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139.
[Youtube Let's Play]


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140.
[Supernatural]


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141.
[YGO]


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142.
[Bandom]


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143.
[Michael Sheen, A Song of Ice and Fire]


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144.
[White Collar]


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145.
[Brooke Davis/Sam Winchester, Sam McPherson/Brooke McQueen]


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146.
[The Hot Chick]


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147.
[Torchwood, Fourteen]


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148.
[Sengoku Basara]


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149.
[Skins]


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150.
[Nathan Willett, CWK]


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151.
[Strictly Come Dancing]


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152.
[Wes Anderson's Fantastic Mr. Fox]


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153.
[The Office]


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154.
[Sgt. Frog]


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155.
[Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Angel, Harry Potter]


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156.
[Smallville/Legion of Super-Heroes/REBELS/Batman Begins/Scrubs/The Office]


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157.
[Phineas and ferb]


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158.
[Star Trek, Perry Rhodan]


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159.
[Shortpacked]


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160.
[Real Genius]


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161.
[Drake and Josh]


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162.
[Shakespeare in Love]


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163.
[ThatGuyWithTheGlasses.Com]


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164.
[Sesame Street]


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165.
[Phantom of the Opera (Leroux)/Lord of the Rings]


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166.
[Bored to Death]


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167.
[White Collar]


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168.
[Tombstone, Val Kilmer]


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169.
[Karla]


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170.
[Dylan McDermott]


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171.
[Jesus Christ/Lucifer]


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172.
[criminal minds]


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173.
[White Collar]


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174.
[The Sandman]


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175.
[Kate Beaton/Hark! A Vagrant/Mystery Solving Teens]


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176.
[Harry Potter/The Trial of Larry Langford]


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177.
[[Class of the Titans]



Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 20 pages, 485 secrets from Secret Submission Post #148.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 4 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

You say "Why make things more complicated than necessary?" so let's roll with that. To me, changing into an entirely different body seems more complicated than changing your body slightly for a disguise. I find "OMG, Zelda was wearing men's clothing" to be a less convoluted and more believable plot device than "OMG, Zelda turned into a man." Stylistic differences in the way they are drawn are to trick the gamer into believing the rouse, and Zelda's magical transformation sequence was because it was more dramatic and better timed than having her say "I am Zelda, hold on while I go into the other room to change" and more appropriate that "I'm Zelda, let me strip right here in front of you." To me occam's razor dictates that the artists didn't really think how Zelda changed her body so drastically, but instead thought that it would look more convincing if Zelda changed her body drastically, but really it was always supposed to be Zelda in her own body in a costume. I've merely been trying to apply internal logic to justify what I perceive as their decision, when really all along I doubt they thought through the internal logic. (of course, this is all conjecture on my part. I've never talked to the design team behind the game, I only guessed how their thought process went.) I've been trying to come up with explanations for why putting on different clothes makes her body seem more masculine, but I think it's one of those questions like "why doesn't Link sink in the water if he's carrying around the boots on his person?" Sure you can make up an explanation for it but really it just doesn't make sense. That's how I've always viewed the situation and I still think of it that way. If she were really in a completely different body, why did Sheik hide his/her face?

All I'm saying is Brawl Zelda undergoes a very similar transformation (broader sholders, thicker upper torso, muscular arms, different eye color, different hair color and style) while still retaining her gender. I think there's at least some logic behind the argument that it is the same technique, and it isn't an invalid argument to say that because Sheik is female in Brawl, there's a good chance that Sheik is female in OoT.

Whether or not the body was changed, I don't remember their being any evidence within the game that Sheik had a different mind or personality than Zelda, so I imagine Sheik always thought of her true form as being the female Zelda, whether or not she was in the body of a man. I don't think of the character as being two different people, whether or not she is in two different bodies.

[ryttu3k.livejournal.com]

We're not just talking about male clothing, though. If we go with your theory, we're going with male clothing, AND chest binding and padding/armour and somehow changing skin colour and eye colour and hair colour and hair style. If Sheik retained the same colouring and build, sure, it could just be Zelda in drag. But she and Sheik look too radically different to make it just a simple change of clothing.

And remember, this series DOES have magically changing bodies as a matter of fact. Twilight Princess has Link changing into a wolf and Midna changing into an imp. Majora's Mask has Kafei changing into a child and Link changing into a Deku, Zora, Goron, AND the Fierce Deity. It's pretty safe to say that Goron Link actually WAS a Goron, he just wasn't wearing a Goron suit!

And that's where things like imagination come in to play! Why does Sheik cover his face and wear bandages? Why do Kokiri wear green hats? I don't know. Make something up. (Also, you can actually see Sheik's face in parts - from certain angles in that first encounter at the Temple of Time. His face does NOT look like Zelda's. Different shape of the eyebrows and mouth. Granted, it's N64 graphics and there are some similarities, but ALL the characters share those particular similarities.)

And I'm not arguing that it's the same technique, I'm just saying the transformation is different. Just because the transformation is into a female body in Brawl doesn't mean the transformation is into a female body in OoT. Just because Link changes into a wolf in TP doesn't mean he changes into a wolf in Link to the Past (and that IS via the same mechanism).

And well, no, but there isn't anything to contradict that, either. I prefer thinking of Sheik as a separate person, you're entirely welcome to think of Sheik as Zelda in a male body. Like I said earlier, what canon we are given is very ambiguous.

Look, I don't think we're getting anywhere - I doubt I'm going to convince you and you're DEFINITELY not going to convince me. Do you think maybe we should leave it here? You can believe whatever you want to believe, and I'll continue interpreting the evidence to come up with male!Sheik.