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[ SECRET POST #1040 ]
⌈ Secret Post #1040 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
101.
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102.
[That Guy With the Glasses]
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103.
[Doctor Who]
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104.
[Hetalia/Say Anything]
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105.
[Tekkonkinkreet]
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106.
[Persona 3 and 4]
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107.
[Iron Man Armoured Adventures]
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108.
[Julia Nunes/Jake/Amir]
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109.
[Where the Wild Things Are]
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110.
[Zeta Gundam]
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111.
[Supernatural]
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112.
[500 Days of Summer]
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113.
[The Jungle Book]
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114.
[Kal Ho Naa Ho, Amélie]
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115.
[Eli Roth/Blueberries/Inglorious Basterds]
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116.
[Supernatural]
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117.
[Heroes]
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118.
[X-Factor]
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119.
[V (2009)]
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120.
[Lackadaisy]
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121.
[Battlestar Galactica]
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122.
[Arrested Development]
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123.
[Star Trek XI]
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124.
[Supernatural, Heroes]
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125.
[iCarly]
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126.
[Gorillaz]
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127.
[Gundam 00]
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128.
[The Spoony Experiment/That Guy With the Glasses]
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129.
[Rocky Horror Picture Show]
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130.
[Giftpia/Captain Rainbow]
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131.
[The Twelve Kingdoms]
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132.
[Mina and the Count]
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133.
[Drake and Josh]
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134.
[Newsies, Sloan]
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135.
[Cillian Murphy & Liam Neeson]
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136.
[Rachel Leigh Cook]
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137.
[Glee/Apollo Justice]
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138.
[Drake and Josh]
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139.
[Mad Men]
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140.
[Haley Joel Osment]
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141.
[SMT III: Nocturne]
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142.
[Girl Genius]
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143.
[Ghostbusters]
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144.
[Zombieland]
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145.
[Thomas Kretschmann & Adrien Brody]
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146.
[My Girl]
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147.
[Rivers Cuomo/Sara Bareilles ]
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148.
[there she is]
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149.
[Sherlock Holmes]
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150.
[Utena]
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151.
[Flash Forward]
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152.
[Team Fortress 2]
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153.
[Michael Buble]
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154.
[Steve Winwood/Val Kilmer]
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155.
[NCIS]
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156.
[Tim Kring, Heroes]
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157.
[My Life As A Teenage Robot]
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158.
[The Joker Blogs]
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159.
[Moulin Rouge]
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160.
[The Tudors]
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161.
[World of Quest]
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162.
[Star Trek: Voyager]
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163.
[NCIS]
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164.
[Wrestling]
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165.
[Alex Rider: Stormbreaker]
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166.
[McLeod's Daughters]
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167.
[merlin/kaamelott]
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168.
[Heard]
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169.
[Buffy, Torchwood and Firefly]
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170.
[Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends/Cartoon Network Fusion Fall]
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171.
[The Mighty Boosh]
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172.
[Flashforward]
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173.
[Heroes/Torchwood/The Dark Knight]
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174.
[Billy Bibbit/Angela Orosco]
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175.
[Eastwick]
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176.
[Fefe Dobson & Michael Seater]
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177.
[MouseHunt/Avatar: The Last Airbender]
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178.
[flight of the conchords]
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179.
[Letter Bee]
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180.
[Dragnet]
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181.
[Simon Schama]
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182.
[Cirque du Freak, Doctor Who]
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183.
[Hurt]
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184.
[Welcome to Dongmakgol]
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185.
[Inspector Lewis/Laurence Fox/Alan Rickman]
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186.
[Bleach/V for Vendetta]
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187.
[The Dresden Files]
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188.
[stay]
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(That image of evil wee!Sam is ADORABLE. Just so you know.)
I kinda picture that John allowed Sam to take the journal that time... I get the impression that John knows a lot more than he ever let on, especially in regards to his boys. XD
I'm sort of disappointed in Dean not seeing it either, personally. But then he's an Olympian contender of denial
LOL SO TRUE! IMHO, Dean doesn't see it because while he knows Sam insanely well, I'm not sure he has ever understood him. Or if he does, he has an image stuck in his head of Sam at age 18 with the same moral integrity and fire that he had when he left for Stanford. And sure, he knows that Sam's all grown up now and all, but that gut mental image is an incredibly hard one to shake.
Now, I think Sam has seen the irony of the situation (and perhaps Dean has as well, it's not like they'd ever TALK about it or anything) but IMHO he hasn't realized yet exactly how much Dean craved a normal life as well. Dean Smith was channeling his inner Dean Winchester when he told Sam that he didn't know him.
I guess I just take it as yet another example of how they don't really understand each other at all right now. For all of the "we were just starting to be brothers again" moments of S1, I don't think they really began to get to really know one another until S5.
And agreed. Sam IS trapped. I think he honestly enjoys it on some level - there are things from my childhood that I get a pleasant thrill from, even though I couldn't do them for a day to day living. And Dean? I think Dean was mostly just incredibly worn down in that scene. (And I kinda wonder if Tessa deliberately did something to him in 2x01, for that matter - that suicidal depression of his came on awfully quickly and has been associated with Tessa multiple times.) When Dean isn't suicidal? I think he really does enjoy hunting. Dean Smith seemed to enjoy it.
IMHO, they're both towards the middle on the scale between Normal and Insane Supernatural Fun Times. Dean's just a wee bit closer to Insane Supernatural Fun Times and Sam's just a wee bit closer to Normal - when they're both relatively sane and not depressed, that is. :D
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I don't think Sam was ever for non-violence so much as he thought that his fighting skills were another aspect of his freaky past that didn't fit in with his craving for a normal life.
Good point. For all its faults, the episode of Fallen Idols with Ghandi-idolizing (and not just passingly respecting if the god zoned in on it) Sam laughing with blood on his face is just subtly fucked up. Again your point of Sam not getting how dark he is. It reminds me a lot of BtVS. Angel was a ridic poof, but the (occasionally hilarious) refusal of Angel and Angelus to believe they are the same person reminds me a lot of Sam's refusal to accept his demonic dark side, and his inability to accept his "addiction" as a sign of something worse in him until 5.03ish.
And I kinda wonder if Tessa deliberately did something to him in 2x01, for that matter - that suicidal depression of his came on awfully quickly and has been associated with Tessa multiple times.
Ooooh, do you have more meta on this theory posted? I'm interested because aside from S4 where the reaper gave Dean the memories of 2x01 back, I'd never given this much thought.
IMHO, Dean doesn't see it because while he knows Sam insanely well, I'm not sure he has ever understood him.
YES YES! I sort of lol'ed in Lucifer Rising that one moment where Dean is STILL hung up on Sam leaving
himthe family and hunting life for college, completely choosing not to remember the years since where Sam wanted to live with him, loved him, and was showing eerie signs he could KILL OTHER PEOPLE like in Time is on my Side to make it happen. Much like Dean not getting how much Madison meant and represented, in S4 he even lumps her in as a monster! So much of him still sees Sam as his kid, he can't separate that out and sees all of Sam's issues as his, with the intensity of a thousand suns, and judges them accordingly. Again, for all the issues I have on 5.05, that point being addressed I liked.no subject
That's PERFECT! And your comments fill me with laugher and glee as well. I think it's the pure win of them. :D
XDXD SAM IS ANGEL. Does that make Dean Spike? Oh, please tell me that makes Dean Spike! (Also, please tell me we get Sam as a muppet at some point, because that possibility AMUSES ME TO NO END.)
I think you've got a great point with that, seriously. Sam really doesn't understand his own darkness. He walls it off as something separate to himself, something to fight against as an external force, when really, it's an internal thing. It's his pride and need for control that cause him to do dark things, not YED, nor Lilith, nor Ruby. Which gives me hope for Sam in early S5, because he seemed willing to accept some of that and was why I was so incredibly frustrated with Fallen Idols because it seemed like Sam was rejecting it again. Which, argh. Learn from your mistakes, Sam!
I'm interested because aside from S4 where the reaper gave Dean the memories of 2x01 back, I'd never given this much thought.
Not formally posted, but right after Dean woke up in 2x01, he said he felt fine, except that it felt like there was a hole in him. He said it again in 4x15, when he told Tessa that he'd felt like he'd had a hole in him for that entire year. I guess come to think of it, his deal was somewhat selfish because Dean was freaking suicidal in S2 and really, really wanted to die. He didn't feel like that in Devil's Trap, though he was obviously shaken and while I can see how John's sacrifice would have horrified him, I guess I'd have expected him to improve throughout S2, if that was the major issue, but instead his depression got worse. My pet theory (if you care to hear it) is that death wasn't the way to wake up from the djinn's dream - it was that you had to find something you wanted more than the dream itself. What did Dean want?
Plus, it explains why he was so exuberant in early S3. It wasn't just that he was in denial (which, to an extent, he was), it was that a load had been taken off his shoulders. He was finally done.
I sort of lol'ed in Lucifer Rising that one moment where Dean is STILL hung up on Sam leaving him the family and hunting life for college,
I KNOW. As much as I hated Bobby in that scene, Dean's sudden selective amnesia about S1-S3 was kind of ridic. And I'm SO GLAD you pointed out that bit in TIOMS!! Sam's brilliant idea there - turn him and Dean into undead shambling zombie critters who must kill others to survive! Wonderful idea, Sammy! I see now why you're the smart one! XD
I don't fault Dean for not understanding the full appeal of Madison or why her death would have so devastated Sam. Then again, I'm still wondering why they never pulled a Buffy on the werewolves either. They're regular humans for 28 days of the month, right? Why not lock themselves up for the remaining two or three? Or get heavy duty drugs and knock themselves out?
Poor Sam, anyway. Was the last "good" supernatural critter Lenore? Has it been that long? No wonder the poor fellow grew depressed about his own chances at beating the odds!
for all the issues I have on 5.05, that point being addressed I liked.
I'd have liked that point had it been phrased better. Sam's judgment was very much in question and the last time Sam had been allowed to make his own decisions when it came to hunting, it lead to VERY BAD THINGS. I don't blame Dean at all for watching his brother like a hawk. But the writing didn't allow that to come through at all and Dean's bossiness was annoyingly OOC. (Some measure of bossiness, sure, but Dean's never been THAT bad, you know?) Especially because Dean kept his mouth shut about his very valid points of concern and his own issues with the brotherhood, it felt incredibly onesided to me. Then again, Dean was kind of written as an idiot in that ep, so... Meh. 5x05 kind of ranks up with Yellow Fever for me in terms of characterization so I try not to think of it.
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BOTH HAVE GIANT FOREHEADS. And should be forbidden from having sex because of the mortality rate post-coital.
Demon!Sam MUST manifest and hate on Sam forever for rescuing a puppy once. Or crying to Sleepless in Seattle or Pluto not being a planet anymore or something equally Sam-lame. Because you know he did.
Because I am a massive SPN/BtVS loser I have a whole bunch of long-winded comparisons of how Dean+Sam together make up Buffy or Angel at any given time (sometimes Sam separates to be Giles and Dean to be Gunn, but yeah). So many people see Sam as Willow but I don't get it beyond the fail of both writers simplifying control issues as addiction, but at least Sam stopped blaming "the magicks"/the blood and accepted consequences and didn't try to end the world over his pain.
I was so incredibly frustrated with Fallen Idols because it seemed like Sam was rejecting it again. Which, argh. Learn from your mistakes, Sam!
I didn't see Sam rejecting responsibility, since 5.01-5.04 was so much of Sam 1) admitting he was wrong 4.22, 5.01, 2) admitting he had a problem 5.02, 3) that he didn't deserve trust as a human being, let alone brother 5.02, 5.03, 4) that his selfish actions hurt a lot of people 5.03, 5) that he would have to work very, very hard to make it up to Dean 5.03, 5.04. Fallen Idols was the addition of 6) he knows he will never make it up to Dean because, come on, fratricide and asshattery, 7) he is going to keep trying despite that he will never make it up to Dean. The things he was trying to bring up came across as "Yeah, I fucked up, and yeah, if you want pile any crap on me because I deserve it and I have ISSUES (bloody hell! *snerk* Now Spike won't leave my head!), but this is also what went wrong here." and shifting to problem #2 of like, 382432 they'll have to address: Dean has to speak, instead of passive aggressively deny in his need to have everything be okay, when things aren't working, AND it's okay to step away from Sam's baggage and focus on himself -- rather than writers pretending #1 (Sam's problem) never happened.
But I have been told several times I'm determined to think the best of show even in the worst circumstances. >>
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I do think though that every word out of their mouths in the 4x14 climax was the truth, it was just things that they NEVER would have said. Sam really did feel himself stronger and smarter than Dean. Dean really was horrified at what he saw Sam as becoming. And, being Winchesters, they refuse to actually talk about any of this and instead brush it all under the rug. Out of all the damaging things they both did to each other in S4, the mutual avoidance of the issues raised in 4x14 had to be among the worst of them. It was after that that Sam's darkness and Dean's depression spiked, and that's what ultimately drove them apart.
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+ every word out of their mouths in the 4x14 climax was the truth, it was just things that they NEVER would have said. Sam really did feel himself stronger and smarter than Dean. Dean really was horrified at what he saw Sam as becoming
+ they refuse to actually talk about any of this and instead brush it all under the rug. Out of all the damaging things they both did to each other in S4, the mutual avoidance of the issues raised in 4x14 had to be among the worst of them
lsdjlsdf yes to everything. And when they do talk, they misinterpret. LOL