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fandomsecrets2009-11-10 05:02 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2009-11-10 05:02 pm
[ SECRET POST #1040 ]
⌈ Secret Post #1040 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
101.
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102.
[That Guy With the Glasses]
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103.
[Doctor Who]
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104.
[Hetalia/Say Anything]
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105.
[Tekkonkinkreet]
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106.
[Persona 3 and 4]
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107.
[Iron Man Armoured Adventures]
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108.
[Julia Nunes/Jake/Amir]
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109.
[Where the Wild Things Are]
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110.
[Zeta Gundam]
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111.
[Supernatural]
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112.
[500 Days of Summer]
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113.
[The Jungle Book]
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114.
[Kal Ho Naa Ho, Amélie]
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115.
[Eli Roth/Blueberries/Inglorious Basterds]
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116.
[Supernatural]
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117.
[Heroes]
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118.
[X-Factor]
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119.
[V (2009)]
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120.
[Lackadaisy]
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121.
[Battlestar Galactica]
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122.
[Arrested Development]
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123.
[Star Trek XI]
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124.
[Supernatural, Heroes]
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125.
[iCarly]
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126.
[Gorillaz]
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127.
[Gundam 00]
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128.
[The Spoony Experiment/That Guy With the Glasses]
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129.
[Rocky Horror Picture Show]
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130.
[Giftpia/Captain Rainbow]
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131.
[The Twelve Kingdoms]
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132.
[Mina and the Count]
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133.
[Drake and Josh]
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134.
[Newsies, Sloan]
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135.
[Cillian Murphy & Liam Neeson]
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136.
[Rachel Leigh Cook]
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137.
[Glee/Apollo Justice]
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138.
[Drake and Josh]
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139.
[Mad Men]
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140.
[Haley Joel Osment]
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141.
[SMT III: Nocturne]
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142.
[Girl Genius]
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143.
[Ghostbusters]
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144.
[Zombieland]
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145.
[Thomas Kretschmann & Adrien Brody]
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146.
[My Girl]
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147.
[Rivers Cuomo/Sara Bareilles ]
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148.
[there she is]
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149.
[Sherlock Holmes]
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150.
[Utena]
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151.
[Flash Forward]
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152.
[Team Fortress 2]
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153.
[Michael Buble]
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154.
[Steve Winwood/Val Kilmer]
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155.
[NCIS]
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156.
[Tim Kring, Heroes]
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157.
[My Life As A Teenage Robot]
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158.
[The Joker Blogs]
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159.
[Moulin Rouge]
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160.
[The Tudors]
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161.
[World of Quest]
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162.
[Star Trek: Voyager]
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163.
[NCIS]
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164.
[Wrestling]
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165.
[Alex Rider: Stormbreaker]
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166.
[McLeod's Daughters]
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167.
[merlin/kaamelott]
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168.
[Heard]
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169.
[Buffy, Torchwood and Firefly]
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170.
[Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends/Cartoon Network Fusion Fall]
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171.
[The Mighty Boosh]
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172.
[Flashforward]
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173.
[Heroes/Torchwood/The Dark Knight]
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174.
[Billy Bibbit/Angela Orosco]
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175.
[Eastwick]
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176.
[Fefe Dobson & Michael Seater]
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177.
[MouseHunt/Avatar: The Last Airbender]
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178.
[flight of the conchords]
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179.
[Letter Bee]
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180.
[Dragnet]
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181.
[Simon Schama]
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182.
[Cirque du Freak, Doctor Who]
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183.
[Hurt]
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184.
[Welcome to Dongmakgol]
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185.
[Inspector Lewis/Laurence Fox/Alan Rickman]
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186.
[Bleach/V for Vendetta]
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187.
[The Dresden Files]
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188.
[stay]
Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 12 pages, 282 secrets from Secret Submission Post #149.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 3 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ], [ 1 - why don't you check the comm you listed as the fandom? ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
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IA again, it didn't come from nowhere. But Asylum has different connotations to me in that scene than being only about how secretly Sam resents and thinks little of Dean. It read off as Sam wanted more than ANYthing to violently go at John and there was only Dean. It had been this huge growing thing between them since they got back together again, John was a literal block between Sam and Dean being partners and brothers (ex: Bugs), the bros came off of Home where Sam hated Dean knowing about his freakishness, Mary's depressing message (and even more depressing meaning reveal in S4), he learns everything started in his nursery, Dean saved him 2/3 times, again, plus the reveal where Dean carried Sam from the fire. Much like the cop in the intro who shot his wife, there was some truth in Sam's rage, but to *that* extent? I didn't think so. Typical younger sibling 'I'm better than you' magnified, frustration and insecurity over Dean's loyalty to John, and extreme grief over Jess's violent murder that Sam hadn't let out, and probably blamed on John too, and his need for some kind of answers for her death that John refused to give. All of it leading up to their temporary and healthy break and reconnection in Scarecrow. (I sort of had the same thing in Sex and Violence comparing the victims to Dean and Sam. Hell yeah there was some vicious dislike mounting between them, but there was truth and exaggeration both in their smack down.)
I think he started openly seeing Dean as weak and unlikeable as S4 went on, jealous even of Dean's approval and support from heaven that Sam wanted so badly. But I also think he found the opposite true: that Dean was stronger than him despite everything, otherwise I don't see how else Sam had all that anger (GGY, at the end, Sam admits his temper was knowing Dean was right, 4.22 he admits to Ruby that Dean was right to be mad, and right about everything), in addition to still resolutely wanting to be with Dean even if it detracted from Lilith-hunting. Sam is driven and narrow-minded and stubborn as hell, if he really thought Dean a hindrance and weak compared to his revenge-hunt, Sam would have taken off. It's there I can't not believe Dean, and love, was still pivotal to Sam's motivations. Largely about power and self-absorption, but competing just about evenly with fucked up love and desperation.
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Oh, agreed! I don't think it was even resentment of Dean so much as resentment of other people's perceptions of him and the grating feeling of being forced back into his own life. It would be like wearing a shirt that's now a couple of sizes too small. Even if it was once a favorite, it's not going to be comfortable unless you stretch it out a lot first.
I also think that a bunch of Sam's issues with John came out there. IMHO, Sam takes a LOT of his issues with John out on Dean, or reads into Dean's actions what he would have seen from John. But that to me goes back to Sam not being quite honest with himself - John was unapproachable and, after S1, not even someone he could rail against. I think Sam was furious with his father but had no outlet to address that, especially because IMHO he felt as guilty as Dean did about John's death - and that would only have grown worse over time when he found out more of what John knew. Dean though was an acceptable target and, come on, it's Dean, in some ways, he was asking for it. Dean's a classic older sibling and they can be bossy and know it all (totally an older sib here, myself! Four younger siblings!), and it wouldn't have been hard to project his anger with his father onto the relatively normal sibling rivalry. And of course, it would have been even easier than usual since Dean wasn't just an older brother - he practically raised Sam.
You've a really good point about Sam perhaps resenting Dean from saving him so often, for that matter... It would have proven to Sam exactly how out of practice he was and everywhere he went, it would have been Dean saving him all over again. (Wendigo and Scarecrow must have been rather satisfying, after the "OMGYOUALMOSTDIED D:" emotional wave died down.)
jealous even of Dean's approval and support from heaven that Sam wanted so badly
Very much agreed. Especially because Sam had always been the believer between them, had been the one who prayed each night.
Dean was stronger than him despite everything, otherwise I don't see how else Sam had all that anger
Mm. I think he sort of realized this, but it was countered with the fact that Dean had, in his mind, broken. Dean would have been incredibly strong to have survived 40 years in Hell, 30 of which were constant torture (and I'm sure the remaining decade wasn't exactly pleasant either). Just to have come out of that still sane, I don't even have words. And Sam's a smart cookie; he had to have thought that through and realized what it meant. But I'm not sure he ever saw Dean as stronger than Sam, so much as different. Weaker and in need of protection, and in 4x22, worthy of that protection. Sam was going to sacrifice himself. Redemption through death. I think he came to a different conclusion in 5x01, when he realized how weak he had been.
Sam's need to keep Dean with him is a complicated one. IMHO, that was partially obligation - especially later in the season. He panicked when he thought Dean was leaving him in 4x04, but was incredibly blase about the same possibility in 4x18. He showed no hesitation in leaving in 4x21, for good reason when he left the first time, but his second departure was much colder. So love, yes, and devotion, and all of it very fucked up, but to me, the desire for power and revenge outweighed the love. Maybe not by much, and maybe mostly at moments such as the end of 4x21, but it still happened. (Which, coincidentally, were the moments when I was most scared for Sam.)
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And Sam's a smart cookie
Sam's brain is much like the Knife that Can Kill Anything Except When It Can't. Sometimes you see why he's Dean's #2 and went to Stanford. Other times, he's just... wow. Dean and Sam deserve each other that way. :p