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[ SECRET POST #1040 ]
⌈ Secret Post #1040 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
101.
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102.
[That Guy With the Glasses]
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103.
[Doctor Who]
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104.
[Hetalia/Say Anything]
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105.
[Tekkonkinkreet]
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106.
[Persona 3 and 4]
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107.
[Iron Man Armoured Adventures]
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108.
[Julia Nunes/Jake/Amir]
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109.
[Where the Wild Things Are]
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110.
[Zeta Gundam]
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111.
[Supernatural]
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112.
[500 Days of Summer]
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113.
[The Jungle Book]
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114.
[Kal Ho Naa Ho, Amélie]
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115.
[Eli Roth/Blueberries/Inglorious Basterds]
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116.
[Supernatural]
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117.
[Heroes]
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118.
[X-Factor]
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119.
[V (2009)]
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120.
[Lackadaisy]
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121.
[Battlestar Galactica]
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122.
[Arrested Development]
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123.
[Star Trek XI]
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124.
[Supernatural, Heroes]
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125.
[iCarly]
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126.
[Gorillaz]
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127.
[Gundam 00]
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128.
[The Spoony Experiment/That Guy With the Glasses]
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129.
[Rocky Horror Picture Show]
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130.
[Giftpia/Captain Rainbow]
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131.
[The Twelve Kingdoms]
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132.
[Mina and the Count]
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133.
[Drake and Josh]
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134.
[Newsies, Sloan]
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135.
[Cillian Murphy & Liam Neeson]
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136.
[Rachel Leigh Cook]
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137.
[Glee/Apollo Justice]
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138.
[Drake and Josh]
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139.
[Mad Men]
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140.
[Haley Joel Osment]
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141.
[SMT III: Nocturne]
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142.
[Girl Genius]
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143.
[Ghostbusters]
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144.
[Zombieland]
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145.
[Thomas Kretschmann & Adrien Brody]
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146.
[My Girl]
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147.
[Rivers Cuomo/Sara Bareilles ]
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148.
[there she is]
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149.
[Sherlock Holmes]
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150.
[Utena]
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151.
[Flash Forward]
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152.
[Team Fortress 2]
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153.
[Michael Buble]
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154.
[Steve Winwood/Val Kilmer]
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155.
[NCIS]
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156.
[Tim Kring, Heroes]
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157.
[My Life As A Teenage Robot]
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158.
[The Joker Blogs]
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159.
[Moulin Rouge]
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160.
[The Tudors]
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161.
[World of Quest]
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162.
[Star Trek: Voyager]
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163.
[NCIS]
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164.
[Wrestling]
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165.
[Alex Rider: Stormbreaker]
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166.
[McLeod's Daughters]
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167.
[merlin/kaamelott]
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168.
[Heard]
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169.
[Buffy, Torchwood and Firefly]
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170.
[Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends/Cartoon Network Fusion Fall]
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171.
[The Mighty Boosh]
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172.
[Flashforward]
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173.
[Heroes/Torchwood/The Dark Knight]
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174.
[Billy Bibbit/Angela Orosco]
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175.
[Eastwick]
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176.
[Fefe Dobson & Michael Seater]
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177.
[MouseHunt/Avatar: The Last Airbender]
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178.
[flight of the conchords]
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179.
[Letter Bee]
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180.
[Dragnet]
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181.
[Simon Schama]
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182.
[Cirque du Freak, Doctor Who]
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183.
[Hurt]
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184.
[Welcome to Dongmakgol]
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185.
[Inspector Lewis/Laurence Fox/Alan Rickman]
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186.
[Bleach/V for Vendetta]
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187.
[The Dresden Files]
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188.
[stay]
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I totally agree that expecting Sam to bounce back and be normal after Dean got back was too much to be expected, but I still expected some measure of change to his behavior, you know? If nothing else, some overprotectiveness for a bit. It might have been nice to have had that overprotectiveness, only to have things skitter to a halt at Yellow Fever... I mean, a month or so after Dean comes back, Sam almost loses him again? If anything were going to rip into Sam's psyche, it should have been that. But even by that point, he didn't seem to really care. (Then again, it was Yellow Fever and NO ONE was in character or even seemed to have a shred of empathy.)
I don't think Dean really got how much his death destroyed
And that's the heart of the Winchester tragedy, I think. Or Dean's, perhaps. Dean really had NO IDEA how much he meant to Sam (or John, for that matter). That's a huge measure of how fucked up he was - the fact that he really did think himself worthless except for keeping John and Sam safe and, as best possible, sane. To me, that's why his deal wasn't selfish - IMHO, Dean didn't ever think he had a choice and he never imagined that Sam would be as effected by his death as was the case. I think he STILL isn't aware of it, for all that he's moved away from hanging every shred of his self worth on his commitment to his family. Which is healthy, sure, because no one should be that wrapped up and codependent, but it's kind of sad that he never got that validation and it's all due to miscommunication.
I think Sam stopped talking about his freakiness because there was less fear that he was a freak, since his visions had stopped and YED was dead. And yeah, the deal was something of a distraction. XD I think you've got a fantastic point in that Dean needed Sam 1.0 when he got back from Hell (just as Sam needed Dean 1.0) and neither of them were able to give the other what he desired.
One of the (many) reasons I quickly stopped checking out televisionwithoutpity boards last summer.
What was the issue with TWOP, out of curiosity? I stopped checking in there because the brother vs. brother wank got to be too much for me.
Why S1-3 will trump S4/5 for me, as much as I enjoyed Sam's crazy in S4 and *some* of the stuff in S5.
So far, I think S4 is my favorite season - provided I ignore the existence of certain episodes that I really can't stand. (Yellow Fever and ASS being the primary two here, but Family Remains also annoyed me a good deal.) I love the plot with Heaven and the whispers about Dean's role as the Righteous Man and Sam's slow descent fascinates me. S1-S2 though had individual episodes that pretty much trounce anything in S4 (with the possible exception of 4x01 because I loved that ep to bits). I mean, come on! Asylum? Scarecrow? Faith?? Devil's Trap? Those are amazing!! S2 had IMToD! AHBL! BUaBS. I think I need say nothing else.
I've a distinct love/hate relationship with S3 though. There's a LOT about it that annoys me. The misogyny seems strongest in that season and both Sam and Dean felt incredibly off to me. Plus, you had some ridiculous moments of stupid!Dean - Long Distance Caller? Really, Dean? But then you also have Sam losing his shoe and Mystery Spot and JiB and aargh. I'm conflicted about S3. XD
And quite leery of S5. I liked the first two episodes, was amused by 5x03 but thought it had MAJOR issues (a whorehouse? REALLY? *does not approve*), but was disappointed with 5x04 onwards. Except last week, that was a bit of all right.
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Some people were only JUST getting Sam vs Pride in 3x01. *head desk* I mean, yes it was symbolic, but then you'd have Dean vs Lust, and Pride wasn't alone when he attacked Sam. It's a minor thing but that's one thing that stood out to me that I can remember that sort of made me roll my eyes seeing everyone jump on it like it was a new thing.
I wandered back in recently when I heard the brotherly bonds thread was reopened, hopeful. It's still sort of an angry place, but not like S4, which had a lot of just. plain. anger. I feel so bad for the mods.
I've a distinct love/hate relationship with S3 though. There's a LOT about it that annoys me. The misogyny seems strongest in that season and both Sam and Dean felt incredibly off to me. Plus, you had some ridiculous moments of stupid!Dean - Long Distance Caller? Really, Dean? But then you also have Sam losing his shoe and Mystery Spot and JiB and aargh. I'm conflicted about S3. XD
S3 had some of the best moments EVER, Mystery Spot, Bad Day, AVSC, Fresh Blood ("I'm staring down eternity, alone. Can you think of a worse hell?"), TioMS, and so on. I had a huge problem with the misogyny and even the writers hated the addition of Bela and dumbing Sam and Dean down before her, though, too, but I loved a lot of the foreshadowing and character moments despite them. Like Malleus Malleficrum, where Sam thinks he had to be like Dean, but IT'S NOT DEAN AT ALL, it's only someone who Dean has convinced Sam he is by always protecting him, but Dean doesn't correct him. But mostly it had me at this ambiguity that S4 lacked. LDC didn't have Dean as OC and dumb to me so much as child-like and desperate like a callback to his plea in S1's Home. And I liked Ghostfacers because having sarcastic/WHY ME-and-irritated-at-incompetence!Dean AND bad-ass-scary-big-brother!Dean together was like, my dream come true. &hearts But S5 gave me Jo/Ellen/Rufus so I'm still clinging to hope for it.
I love the plot with Heaven and the whispers about Dean's role as the Righteous Man and Sam's slow descent fascinates me.
I loved Dean having a role in the myth arc, but my problem in season four is the messy way the writers pick up, drop or crap all over things like ambiguity. Vampires not automatically being evil, werewolves not being monsters, etc, were all prevalent in S1-3, and suddenly don't apply. Or destiny, that definitely hasn't gotten any better in S5 -- IMO the events in MatEoTB Dean went crazy trying to prevent only happened BECAUSE HE TRIED TO PREVENT THEM, but apparently that's just a plot hole and not intentional. Plus they keep changing their mind about the angels and hosts, which is irritating. I don't mind adding to the mythos, but at least in my polytheistic SPN in S1-3 things still made sense.
disappointed with 5x04 onwards. Except last week, that was a bit of all right.
You didn't like The End, or do you mean 'stuff after 5.04'? Curious Case was such messy script, and from what I understand it was a guest writer focusing too much on the OCs and Sera tried to fix it. But it had wayyyy too much going on that EVERYTHING was underwhelmed.
Changing Channels was the first time I saw Dean and Sam genuinely liking each other again. I see the care they have for each other every episode (lol), but like S4 where they slowly stopped *liking* each other, this episode they enjoyed each other, without heavy obligations and baggage attached. I haven't seen it since their time as Smith and Wesson in IaTL. When Dean was shot, they clung. When Sam was hurt, Dean took no joy in it, not a smile, only horrified and wanted to know if he was okay. When the Trickster showed, Dean took charge and ordered to the *demigod*/angel nothing else was happening "until Sam has opposable thumbs." And the end, where they agreed for all it's numbing cheerfulness, a part of them missed the fake world (hi Monster Movie ref) of just them and no one trying to tear them apart. And of course, their resolution to ever fight.