[ SECRET POST #6889 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6889 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'm guessing 'internalized misogyny', at least to some extent.

The 'female characters are poorly written and male characters are well written in every single one of my fandoms' argument is, nine times out of ten, nonsense.

People find male characters more interesting because they're naturally more interested in them in the first place, and thus either A) happily ignore or fill in the gaps of the same poor writing they dismiss in female characters, or B) ignore or fail to notice the same great writing when it applies to female characters because they're more interested in (and thus more focused on) the male characters they're sharing a scene with.

That said, gender-swap fic (in either direction) tends to be poorly characterized at best and utterly dreadful at worst, so that could also have something to do with it.

[(Anonymous)]

No one owes any imaginary character their interest.

[(Anonymous)]

Who, exactly, said they did?

The above comment is made up entirely of objective statements -- if you find male characters more interesting, you're going to find male characters more interesting, and there is usually an element of misogyny in consistently finding female characters with the same writing quality "badly written".

That's a simple fact, not a judgement call. Like whoever the fuck you want, IDGAF. But OP was wondering why they felt that way, and that's part of the likely answer.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

"Who said they did?" Lots of people, pretty directly. If you've never seen one of those posts that are like "Y'all hate women so much you'll fixate on a male character with one line and ignore the female protagonist" I want to know what magical fandoms you're in. Oh, I guess that's not telling me I owe anyone anything. It's just saying I hate women if I don't write about them enough. That's cool and not manipulative at all.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, but absolutely none of those people were in the comment the previous anon was replying to.

It's totally irrelevant to the point being made, and the comment in question used incredibly defensive "don't tell me what to do" type language, when the original comment did no such thing.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Really didn't think I'd need to specify "who here in the comment you're directly replying to said they did", but here we are, I guess.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

Given how bent out of shape you're getting over no one saying this to you in this thread, you do hate women because boy did this passive statement really set you off.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

I see where you're coming from, Nonny.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, we seem to have at least one person here who is obsessed with calling out misogyny everywhere. And there is misogyny everywhere...but not EVERYthing is misogyny. I sometimes feel like if you're looking for something you'll see it whether or not it's actually there.

[(Anonymous)]

there is usually an element of misogyny in consistently finding female characters with the same writing quality "badly written".

Eh, I'm actually going to disagree with this one because IMO a lot of it comes down to HOW the characters are written.

For example, I LOVE toxic, messy characters. Easy to find great examples of this with male characters! But with female characters, I've found that far too many writers seem to be afraid to let a female character be toxic and messy to the same degree that they do with male characters. They always seem to need to find some way to soften her or justify her actions within the narrative, and it honestly drives me crazy because I WANT more women who are just unhealthy messes and whose behavior isn't something you can just wave off with "oh, I know she did X, but she had these reasons for it so it isn't actually that bad!"

If more writers would write that type of female character they same way they write that type of male character, then I would like them a lot more.