[ SECRET POST #6913 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #6913 ⌋

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Transcript – Star Trek

[(Anonymous)]

I can’t take Star Trek seriously anymore. It just isn't remotely believable that humanity could turn into the Federation. If we go to the stars and there are aliens, we are going to be the ones enslaving them and destroying everything.

Re: Transcript – Star Trek

[(Anonymous)]

Sci-fi is supposed to be believable?

I think of Trek as an ideal, but it's only really possible for humans if you select for traits with, idk, a combination of DNA and environment. Lots of humans act like pit bulls but lots of humans also act like golden retrievers.

Re: Transcript – Star Trek

[feotakahari]

In Star Trek, trying to select for the right DNA made Khan.

I figure our AIs will be better than us. Beings that never evolved don’t need a survival instinct, so they can be more selfless than us.

Re: Transcript – Star Trek

[(Anonymous)]

A certain Futurama clip just sprang to mind.

[feotakahari]

It baffles me that anyone could make something like Star Trek after the “most cultured country in Europe” murdered six million Jews. Culture is not the answer to this problem!

[(Anonymous)]

Germany and Austria were never the most cultured, what a weird take. You're also forgetting Japanese and African front there, like how many Chinese were killed. Your comment is very ignorant.

[(Anonymous)]

And let's not even begin counting all the millions upon millions of deaths under Stalinism and Maoism.

[(Anonymous)]

I never did take it seriously on that front. The most realistic portrayal of humans in the future is what we got in Picard season 2 where humanity is so savage, we hunted the Borg to extinction for sport. We would be so terrible with transporters. We would beam each other into volcanoes over nothing fights. But Star Trek's weird, so I like it.

[bannedbookweek]

Star Trek was always a hail Mary, it was about hoping for the best after humanity crawls out of the ashes of nuclear war. I think that the original runs of TOS and the 90s shows did a good job of depicting what it would take for humans to participate in that kind of society, it requires a certain selflessness and civic minded virtue that only appears in small flashes in human history.

[(Anonymous)]

The Federation happened after two devastating world wars, one of them nuclear, followed by decades of desperation and near-extinction, then a slow crawl back to civilization, and finally, First Contact.

Personally, I think it's meeting the Vulcans that made Humanity in the Star Trek universe have its come-to-Jesus moment, so to speak. It was a moment that would have changed how they viewed reality so powerfully that it altered their brain chemistry collectively as a species.

Honestly, though, it seems like some of y'all lackin' too much imagination to be watching Star Trek in the first place.

[feotakahari]

The biggest reason I dislike Star Trek is that setting up the Federation as more enlightened implicitly means setting up the uncontacted worlds as less enlightened. I’m a fan of Speaker for the Dead, where the aliens argue that the Prime Directive is a violation of their rights.

SA

[(Anonymous)]

I agree on the Federation's high-handedness, especially where the PD is concerned. But I always felt like the Fed preaching its so-called enlightenment was never meant to be an indictment of other "lesser alien species" it encountered, but an often heavy-handed message to Humanity here and now that it can reach the levels of enlightenment that the Federation's Humanity has if we try.

And no offense to you, feotakahari, but fuck Orson Scott Card and his homophobic, anti-choice bullshit.

Re: SA

[feotakahari]

Some people can be surprisingly open-minded towards aliens while being bigoted towards fellow humans. I've been told Sector General is like that with women.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

It's even as simple as "Star Trek is What If Future Humans Were Not Shit?" Sci-fi is exploring what-ifs, and that's it, that's the premise Roddenbery started from. The fact that the extended lore came up with plausible reasons for why and how humanity ended up there is a cherry on top, but for the longest time we fans took characters just declaring that they did away with poverty and war hundreds of years ago at face value and rolled with it.

[(Anonymous)]

Idk I think most people are good actually. We couldn't be the Federation anytime soon, but in the grand scheme of things we're still plenty young enough to be in our figuring out how to not fuck up as a species phase.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh a thirteen year old just discovered Star Trek for the first time. Here, let me just babyproof that edge you got there, little buddy, don't want you cutting yourself on that.

Fuck off, sneery anon.

[(Anonymous)]

you fuck off. Your agression is not warranted here.

[(Anonymous)]

Die angry about it.

[(Anonymous)]

The fact that you think humans MUST be the morally inferior ones compared to the assorted aliens they would totally enslave while the poor aliens would be the victims kinda reeks of the noble savage trope.

[(Anonymous)]

Can I interest you in Warhammer 40,000 where humans are just the absolute worst? (Except for every other faction at times...) Or Mechwarrior where humans are the absolute worst? (And there are no demons or torture elves to blame!) Or even the vast swaths of sci-fi where humans suck a lot like the Expanse or Star Wars or Dune or Aliens or...

But no really, that's what makes Star Trek cool. It's aspirational and it tells stories no other universe really can <3