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fandomsecrets2009-11-16 06:04 pm
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[ SECRET POST #1046 ]
⌈ Secret Post #1046 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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Notes:
THIS goes into effect starting with Submissions Post 151, as secrets were posted before the poll went up last week.
Secrets Left to Post: 15 pages, 353 secrets from Secret Submission Post #150.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 2- not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [
1 2 3 4 5 6 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.
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Having a group of people constantly cheerleading your work isn't as beneficial as say, showing your work to a small group of people who are willing to tell you what works and what doesn't rather than just going YAAAAAAY about it.
I don't see why an artist can't have both? Anything posted publicly is going to get positive responses. And that can make an artist feel really positively about their work. But I don't know if I know an artist or a writer who doesn't, in addition to that supportive fanbase, have a small group of friends who help with the more constructive stuff.
I am biased in having been awed by EK's work for a long time. I think her praise is well deserved. Full disclosure.
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Since anonymous brought it up, yes I'm working on a project and yes I post stuff publicly, the difference being that I'm hoping that people have something more to say besides "it's good" or "it sucks" -- I would rather have someone tell me what they think works and what doesn't and why it does or doesn't work than just squeee over my stuff (even though that wouldn't happen anyway because I don't have as much practice drawing so my stuff isn't very good). I have a few friends that I like to bounce ideas and stuff off of and I find this is very beneficial for me, especially when it comes to writing. Also, there's something that doesn't really seem sincere when people only have nice things to say about your work, especially a work in progress.
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Gee I feel schooled now.
the difference being that I'm hoping that people have something more to say besides "it's good" or "it sucks"
Again, you're making assumptions as to the artist's intentions.
You still seem to be operating under the assumption that EK does not have a group of friends who actively critique her work. She routinely posts caps of her work on her journal and says, "This looks wonky. What's wrong with it?" And gets very blunt feedback. (Perhaps this is on a filter?) And, to go waaayyy back, the OP never said EK's work needed to be critiqued. They were all hurty because lots of people liked it. The closest thing to a complaint voiced by the OP regarding the actual work was that it was "just another gay love story." (Based, of course, on the sparse bits of story we're given. So, apparently, we're not given enough glimpses of the full story to form a positive excitement about its completion, but we're certainly given TOO MUCH so as to indicate that the artist is arrogant in sharing the work and "expecting" people to like it.)
Like her work, don't like it. It doesn't really matter. But there's not a damn thing wrong with positive feedback (and this does not always equal cheerleading), so long as the artist is level-headed enough to handle it. I'm sorry if that isn't the case for everyone and somehow has offended you.
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All I am reading is "if they do it MY WAY then it's okay!" That is so ego-centric and, again, judgmental on everyone else.
And even if it was just full squee, what on earth makes you think positive encouragement doesn't provide incentive to, you know, work on it? Who said these artists/writers aren't getting constructive criticism from another source or maybe aren't asking their own audience for it?
If your own comic suddenly gets a huge positive-responsive fanbase, then what, does that suddenly mean you're just in it for the cheerleading, regardless of your original intent because it's only what it appears to be that matters? This reeks of hypocrisy.
I realize I am tracking this thread with a fervour but, boy, something about this really bugs me, and I got free time, so.
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(Anonymous) 2009-11-19 12:39 am (UTC)(link)Okay. I'm not part of this particular train of conversation, but I thought I'd point out that many of the people commenting about and/or defending EK are, in fact, artists or aspiring artists. And while it may not have been your intent, that certainly sounded very arrogant to me. And if you had any idea about EK or her comic, you'd know that, as other people have said, she asks for and recieves a lot of constructive criticism whenever she posts a new panel or a sketch. The most recent example I can think of is when she posted a panel and a great majority of the comments were "the eyes just look plain wrong." and she agreed and discussed why they were wrong and how they could be fixed.
So, I don't know, do your research before you start flinging assumptions left right and centre. Also, you mentioned that you are working on a project, and you're hoping for constructive criticism. Does this mean that you haven't recieved any thus far?
So isn't that a bit hypocritical?