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[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT - Personally I would say yes, a ship can be both enemies and rivals. That said, I think one aspect usually outweighs the other, and I suspect that the enemies dynamic is more likely to outweigh the rivals dynamic than the other way around.

There's also a question of what exactly you count as enemies. I don't personally think that characters simply disliking each other as people is enough to give them an enemies dynamic. To me, enemies is an active dynamic, which is to say that at least one of them has to be out to get the other in some way. Not necessarily a life-ruining way, but certainly enough to be felt. Therefore it becomes very easy for the enemies dynamic to upstage the rivalry dynamic, because even relatively small acts of sabotage are likely to feel pretty serious, like, "Oh, so it's war then."

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NAYRT

I think rivals also has to be a somewhat active dynamic. The characters have to look at each other as rivals and that doesn't necessarily happen even in scenarios where rivals exist. Like a character designating another character as Their Rival over all the others who might be competing for the same thing or title is significant. The others are in theory competing and rivals technically, but they aren't LI that the character has decided is THE rival which implies they acknowledge the designated rival's ability or worthiness to some degree.

Basically, rivalshipping is short for designated-rival shipping, I guess? 501 people competing for a title, doesn't mean the main character can have rival ships with 499 of them if they've dismissed them as NPCs - just the one the character designates (whether they realize it or not) as The Rival.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I agree with this, though I can't decide if I think the recognition needs to be reciprocal or not. I think for me personally it can still be a rival ship if only one of the characters perceives it as a rivalry, but it depends on the specifics. Though I guess it'd be more accurate to say that each character's perception of the rivalry can be quite different. One character can be seething, bitter rivals with the other, while the other character is just like, "Huh, guess I'll have to really bring my A game if I want to beat them!"

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AYRT

Hmm I would say it has to be reciprocal, or has to be *eventually*, like one character can strive against another who looks down on them at first but in the end earn recognition for something they do and obtain the Rival position... but if the other character never considers the main character to be any sort of competition at all throughout the whole ship and never will, I'm not sure if it fits.

If someone chased another person around for 1000 years who never thought of them as anything more than a noob I'd say you have a challenger type character who never gets the rival dynamic they want

[(Anonymous)]

if the other character never considers the main character to be any sort of competition at all throughout the whole ship and never will,

Yeah, but that's not really what's implied by a character going, "I'll really have to bring my A game if I want to beat them!" I think different characters can have very different personalities and thus very different reactions to feeling challenged by another person. One character can feel their sense of self (or even their well-being) deeply threatened by the challenge another character poses, while the other character is just sunshine and good vibes and deeply well-adjusted thoughts about how challenge is healthy and helps you grown and improve. One is having a great time being rivals while the other is imploding. It's a specific flavor of rival ship, for sure, but to me it still counts.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure where I disagreed with what you quoted? The comment started out being unsure whether it had to be reciprocated, I was addressing that bit. Reciprocated? Imo, it has to be to qualify. Reciprocated EQUALLY? Nah. But just saying there must be *something*, which your examples have.