[ SECRET POST #1067 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1067 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 13 pages, 325 secrets from Secret Submission Post #153.
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

The characterization of Sam and Dean as individuals, and the handling of their relationship is key to Wincest, no? If any of that suffers, Wincest suffers.

[ginzai.livejournal.com]

Except that Wincest is not itself the definition of good characterization. I'd love more development for Sam and Dean as individuals and a better read into their relationship because I'm frankly disappointed with S5 in that regard, but I thought S4 was actually rather good. Not perfect, but we got a lot of significant development for Sam and Dean both.

[(Anonymous)]

Never said it was. Only that a general lack of good and consistent characterization, imo, hurt both the show and Wincest as a pairing in S4. And S5 for that matter.

I think Sam was OOC for much of S4. OOC and erratically characterized. And Dean took up that mantle in early S5. I use a comparison between gradual evolution and the rapid-fire kind that happens in comic books from radiation spills (lol, I know).

One involves a lot of groundwork being layed to show you how something goes from point A to point B. If that had happened, I could've found S4 better, but as it was, it was like S3 ended and all of a sudden people were getting unrecognizable. Not developed, just largely and randomly different than they had been for three years.

[sherrilina.livejournal.com]

Um, there were characterization issues in season 3 as well, especially with Dean in the beginning, and for instance the way they became OOC-ly stupid around Bela...

Just saying, season 4 is not where issues began...

[(Anonymous)]

I certainly don't think characterization issues are limited to seasons four and five, and I definitely agree about things like Bela, Dean being a comic-relief side-kick at first, etc.

However, even in S3, which did have its share of issues, my thing is that it still felt like the same show, and that I was watching the same characters. I often can't say that of everything after that year.