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fandomsecrets2009-12-18 04:18 pm
[ SECRET POST #1078 ]
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(Anonymous) 2009-12-19 09:33 pm (UTC)(link)Uh, the show's not that complicated. The way it portrays the brothers' relationship is unique to other stuff on TV, but the show pretty much wears its themes and issues on its sleeve. You may not always be able to predict where they're going with certain stuff, but you can pretty much tell how things currently are.
Castiel is a trusted ally of the boys; the only possible black mark against him is that moment in the last ep between him and Meg where is it was weirdly sexual. The fact that was it looked like he was about to kiss her - that's a neutral reading. What it could possibly mean, neutrally, in the worst case scenario, I think, is that Cas is going to experience more weakness of the flesh (as foreshadowed in "The End"), and that might result in being a liability in a critical moment. But that's just speculation. Now you could do a "Cas is shady" reading as say that he's going to get in bed with the demons at some point, and I can do my "I'm a Cas fan" reading and say that he was just stalling her until he could utilize her as a demon bridge. Or this could fall into the show's many plotholes and mean nothing at all. So again - it's not that hard to separate all these readings. We can debate what it all might mean, but as far as what's passed - they're pretty clear as to where all the players are currently at.
Now as far as Castiel blaming the boys: "You and your brother destroyed the world" - neutrally, that's pretty evident that he finds them culpable. But also neutrally, judging from his behavior, he doesn't harbor any ill-will or resentment toward them.
My interpretation as to the meaning behind all that: Cas was simply stating a fact. When he got in Dean's face in 5x02, Dean had been dissing his belief that he could find God, his father. The show being what it is about fathers, that's huge. That whole speech that Cas spouts off can be interpreted, "I've sacrificed a fucking lot for your sake, so you would do well to kindly shut the fuck up." And as far as Sam - the Antichrist was a huge threat to Cas' family, the other angels, and probably himself as well. Sam posits the question of what if the Antichrist makes the right choice, and Cas has to bring up, because it's true and letting the Antichrist live could have dire effects for him and his kind, that Sam didn't make the right choice. Fact.
But remember that Cas is willing to die for Sam now. He'll "die first" before he'll let Lucifer get to him. And he's obviously in Dean's corner. He trusts both the boys, is willing to go along with their plans - if he truly "blamed" them, in the wholly negative sense of the word - "your evil, neglectful, weak actions lead to this" - why would he trust them with anything? That would be like Dean trusting Ruby after she helped bring about the Apocalypse.
Now as far as Cas' culpability in letting Sam out of the panic room - personally, I think that a case of, literally, "I just opened the door, but you walked through it". Sam chose to knock Bobby out instead of asking him for help. Sam choose to seek Ruby out instead of his brother. How long would they have had to keep Sam there before he stopped feeling like he had to kill Lilith? It wasn't just the demon blood.
But it's not like Cas didn't feel like shit after he did it, just like he obviously felt like shit for turning Anna in. Hopefully when we see Anna again, both those things will get addressed, but honestly, Cas' actions really don't make a difference one way or another. Sam was hell-bent on that path, no matter what. A few more hours in the panic room wasn't going to change that.