[ SECRET POST #1102 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1102 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

This isn't even all the Who secrets there are, just the ones I randomly found today.

Secrets Left to Post: 13 pages, 325 secrets from Secret Submission Post #158.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 4 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 3 4 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 4 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

There's Zoe from Firefly, Selena from 28 days later, Karen from Blade. She's not the only one. And again, not black fans as you suggest, but FANS AT THIS COMM. Or are the only fans there black?

[kita0610.livejournal.com]

She is the only strong black female character who is the romantic lead of an iconic figure in sci fi. Being able to name three or ten more black women in sci fi in general doesn't counteract the fact that the number of white women in similar roles exponentially outnumbers women who are not white, and has for a long long time.

I don't frequent the comm. you linked to. I can't tell color over the internet. But the original post by the OP suggested she felt marginalized by the discussion of Uhura's race. Comments like these tend to be made by white people, who have the privilege of *not* noticing race, because we are the "default" setting for it in media.

rawles made an awesome post about why Uhura's race IS so important to black sci fi fen. I certainly couldn't say it better than that.

IF the discussion on her race is being led by other black female fans, then yeah, I think the rest of us ought to shut the hell up about it being "oppressive" in some way. There's other places to have the conversations you want to have, where race isn't included. There will always be those places, because race makes people uncomfortable, and they don't wanna talk about it. No one is saying you HAVE to talk about race. But telling people who are discussing it to shut up is not ok.

[(Anonymous)]

Being able to name three or ten more black women in sci fi in general doesn't counteract the fact that the number of white women in similar roles exponentially outnumbers women who are not white, and has for a long long time.

you asked me to name another and I did. your rules, not mine.

Unlike the OP, I can't feel marginalized by the race discussion because I am non-white but I can understand their feelings about not wanting continuous race-themed posts in a comm that is supposed to be about a ship. There are other comms for that, especially when the door doesn't swing both ways in the discussions and mods play sides.

[kita0610.livejournal.com]

I'm not making rules. I'm saying Uhura is the only character of her kind. Zoe, etc. are not leads in blockbuster movies. Nor do they get to have sex with an iconic character like Spock. There IS no other female character of color like her right now in popular media.

I don't understand the door swinging both ways comment? Her race is a big part of what makes the ship attractive to people, and I think rawles explains why very clearly.

[(Anonymous)]

28 days later was a smash and Jim was the main character. and for the 5th time, yeah, she's black but that is not ALL she is.

[kita0610.livejournal.com]

Jim of 28 Days /=/ Spock. Star Trek is a household brand, man.

And I didn't say it was ALL she is, I said it is important to a lot of people, and I don't understand how or why anyone feels like that marginalizes their own experience of the character.

It's time to agree to disagree, I feel like I've said my bit.

[(Anonymous)]

Same here. Different experiences make for different views. G'day to you.