[ SECRET POST #1107 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1107 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[daniela-lynx.livejournal.com]

I absolutely love Babs as Oracle, and she's even more kickass as Oracle as she was as Batgirl (and how I loved her as Batgirl!), but it's still fridging. The writer made a male character harm her to better showcase another male's character ~manpain~. Her coming back as Oracle wasn't planned at first.

Yes, she was put on a fridge, and it's a fact. But then she Got Better.

I'm glad other writers believed in her and continued writing Babs as a powerful female character, not despite the wheelchair, but along it.

op

[(Anonymous)]

By that logic though, Nora Frize was fridged (well literally I'd buy since she was FROZEN, but you know what I mean), and Mrs Wayne but not Mr Wayne (since apparently only women can be fridged?).

And would it make any difference if it was, say, Talia that shot her? Can a woman be "fridged" by another woman? Or to harm another woman? Because no one seems to consider it such even if the situations are the same.

Re: op

[daniela-lynx.livejournal.com]

It's not the act of harming or killing a female character, or even who does it. It's the intention behind it: Harming, killing or depowering a female character with the intention of making a male character suffer, as a plot device.

Have you read the Women in Refrigerators page and/or Wiki entry?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Refrigerators
http://www.unheardtaunts.com/wir/

Re: op

[(Anonymous)]

Of course I've read it. However a lot of times it just happens in a story. Like if it had been Spider-man's aunt that got killed to facilitate his sense of responsibility, she would have been considered fridged but because it was his uncle it wasn't? That really doesn't sit right with me.

I think there's a difference in harming a "female character" and harming a character whose role happens to be such that to harm them would be adventageous to someone's goal. Like Superman's parents--why would it be seen as so very different to hold Martha hostage than Thomas? And if they were BOTH caught and threatened, then what would it be called?

In short, I think there's a difference between a "female victim" and a victim who just happens to be female.

Re: op

[moon-very-thin.livejournal.com]

"Like if it had been Spider-man's aunt that got killed to facilitate his sense of responsibility, she would have been considered fridged but because it was his uncle it wasn't? That really doesn't sit right with me."

It helps to think of it not on a case-by-case basis, but as a cumulative effect. In an even trade off, whether it was Uncle Ben or Aunt May who was killed as a plot device to trigger Pete's pain wouldn't make a difference because it would have precisely the same influence. However, if it had been May it would have added to a casualty count which is disproportionately higher for female characters than male. That's where the difference comes in - not in the single event, but in the overall trend.

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[daniela-lynx.livejournal.com]

THIS.

It's even more disturbing when you take in account that comics do not write themselves: Storylines are created by writers, and a huge amount of comic writers are male.