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fandomsecrets2010-01-16 04:37 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2010-01-16 04:37 pm
[ SECRET POST #1107 ]
⌈ Secret Post #1107 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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Notes:
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Do you think that Tina actually had the psychological handicap of pretending to be psychologically handicapped (i.e. her supposed stuttering) or that she was just being manipulative (not to be cruel so much as defensive against people around her)in faking it?
It's doubtful the writers are really going to delve THAT much into the psychology of characters however but it's interesting to think about.
It may be true that Tina has might have a psychological problem, but do you think that in a case like hers that it's enough to avoid personal responsibility?
It's just something I've been pondering myself...
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Trust me, I'm not giving the writers a pass on the show, but I find this overwhelming desire some fans have to cruxify Tina isn't directly related to bad writing, but moreso to a desire to want to judge and condemn someone for something they themselves don't understand and can't be bothered to see as that big of a deal.
Tina's lying is manipulative. That's the whole point. She manifested a fake stutter to draw attention away from a greater problem that she herself may not fully comprehend. Yes, she was manipulative, and yes, she insulted Artie by pretending to have a physical disability to deflect away from her psychological/behavioral one. I understand why Artie's hurt, but I also understand Tina's behavior as well.
No one said anything about avoiding personal responsibility. If she wanted to avoid personal responsibility, she never would've voluntarily told Artie anything about faking the stutter in the first place. She's a child living in a cruel environment (i.e., high school) that creates wounds that can take decades to heal. I understand that need to keep your head down and simply get out alive.
And understanding someone's behavior isn't the same as absolving them from it. I think Tina was wrong. But my beef is with the fans who jumped to criticize her and diminish her problem as if it's no big deal. It seems pretty freakin' obvious to me that if she went through that much trouble to hide in plain sight, then what she's hiding is not something to be carelessly dismissed. By the writers or the fans.
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No one said anything about avoiding personal responsibility. If she wanted to avoid personal responsibility, she never would've voluntarily told Artie anything about faking the stutter in the first place.
That's not how I saw it. She wasn't really feeling guilty about what she'd done so much as she decided, 'hey, Artie and me really are alike so let me tell him' when obviously, no, it isn't the same thing.
It seems pretty freakin' obvious to me that if she went through that much trouble to hide in plain sight, then what she's hiding is not something to be carelessly dismissed. By the writers or the fans.
It could be said that she said a lie that kept snowballing, but I can see it as something about her that needs to be discussed sometime on the show.
I'm really trying to be neutral here, especially since I like Tina. But I am on Artie's side(for the most part.)
Oh, God, I really hope my tone doesn't come off snippy here.