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I wouldn't mind at all if you brought that to the mods. And I'm glad you're seeing my point and are considering my reasons instead of taking offense.

I made this a secret because I get along well with many fans who like both TOS and AOS and I fear they wouldn't understand but think I'm just a bitter classic fan bitching about the bigger new fandom, as many people replying to this secret seem to assume. That's not it. I'm glad Star Trek got revived, I'm happy everyone has fun. This is just me and my very personal feeling of not fitting in that has nothing to do with judging the fandom.

I just all too often feel like there's two fandoms that look exactly the same on first glimpse and most of the time I end up feeling like an invading alien.

I actually think that having all stories maked as TOS or AOS would help a lot, if only because it would bring to the attention that there are in fact two different Star Treks. There'd still be mostly (almost exclusively so far, I believe) AOS, but at least this little, unacknowldged hope that it might actually be the original for once wouldn't be there and I could enjoy the story as it is from the beginning instead of waiting for the moment of dissapointment all the time.
(I know I'm not the only one feeling this way. It came up a number of times in discussions on

fanficrants for example.)

If you made a project like that, I'd be totally in for it!

Well, I've messaged a mod and we'll see what she says back. :)

"I just all too often feel like there's two fandoms that look exactly the same on first glimpse and most of the time I end up feeling like an invading alien." I think this has a lot to do with the fact that the new fandom doesn't know how to deal with the old. Ignoring (whether intentional or not) seems to be the most popular way, which sucks.

But for some fics- do they need to differentiate? (I am referring, of course, to tribble fics, lol.) Some fics are just 'Trek.' Or are they? The author must have an idea in their head of who they are writing, but sometimes it seems like they switch back and forth (at least for the ones that know both) and even mix them up. Do you think those need to be labeled? And then, how would they be?

*and continues to hide from idea/project faries* Gods, if I wasn't so involved in Ship Wars, if I didn't have personal projects or tons to do in RL I would. I seriously would.

Perhaps this project is something to keep in mind for when the ship war is over and everyone has a little more time. It's definitely worth thinking about. (I was.)

I have no idea how to label fics that could be both. I only know that I usually stay away from stories that say "could be either TOS or Reboot", because there is a difference, not only in canon but also in the way the characters look and act. (For example, TOS McCoy wouldn't call Kirk "kid" - that would be plain weird. No one would consider the original Chekov an enthusiastic, naive virgin. And so on.) The authors must have had one cast in mind when they wrote their stories - just not mentioning Nero or Kirk's blue eyes doesn't make it TOS.

On the other hand, there are authors who write for TOS but say it could be both because they fear they wouldn't get any readers otherwise. (Not my experience, though AOS fics certainly get more comments. Also, I've had readers still assuming it was AOS despite me very clearly labelling a fic TOS. There's something to say about that...)

But the problem also exists the other way round: There are, for example, Reboot fics that still describe certain characters with features of their original actors; like Bones being blue eyed and skinny. I don't mind that personally because for me Bones is blue eyed and skinny, but if I was a Reboot fan expecting to read about the characters as I know and like them, it would piss me off.

To cut it short: I think telling the readers from the beginning what they should expect so no one will be disappointed is a good idea.

(It would be interesting to have a challenge where TOS and AOS writers are given a certain situation and have to describe how the characters from the different universes act through it to see the difference, not only in canon but also in the persception of the fandom. Of course, this would only work with writers trying to write them as close to character as possible.)

TOS but say it could be both because they fear they wouldn't get any readers otherwise.

I've done that (written TOS fic but said it could be both) and in my experience, I DO get more comments/reviews.

_{It's weird, but I sometimes get comments on my (clearly labeled) TOS fic like "Why didn't you mention Spock's relationship with Uhura?" or "Kirk's eyes are blue, not brown."}

I've gotten comments like that too. It seems that some fans aren't even aware that anything other than ST:XI exists.

(Another thing that really, really annoys me is when people in mixed communities tag their stories as both AOS and TOS just because old!Spock (aka Spock Prime) appears in them. I really wish sometimes they would acknowledge the difference.)

Those types of comments wouldn't bother me so much if I didn't get them so frequently (or if people would realize their mistakes :p But I've actually talked to a few nu!fans who think the movie was a prequel to TOS and think that some things in the Prime universe are the same in the nu!verse, like Kirk's eyes being blue, so... lol ignorance)

_{...Bzuh? That sucks. Reminds me of when someone asked for Prime!Spock/nu!Kirk on the TOS kink meme. I mean, if it's not set in the prime universe, it's not TOS. It's not a very difficult concept XD}

Ah, yes, I remember that prompt. There was another one for K/S asking for a fic that doesn't bother to forcefully explain away Spock/Uhura. It got a lot of comments pointing out to the OP that Spock/Uhura does not have to be explained away, forcefully or not, in the TOS universe.

Yeah, and they were asking for "no cliches" like Kirk asking Spock to call him Jim (wtf Spock does that anyway XP), Vulcan telepathy, and Vulcan hand kissing. I wonder why they didn't go back and delete their comment, or at least say "whoops my bad u guys"..?

Agreed with all of that.

Also, that would be a perfect thing to do in our imaginary comm. Oh gods. *continues to hide* Maybe possibly after ship wars/this summer?

That would be great! I'd been thinking about that too and thought after the ship war would be a good time...

Will you come out of the woodwork to help me host it? Because it needs to be team run by TOS and AOS :D

Funny enough, I just send you a PM.

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