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⌈ Secret Post #1174 ⌋

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Honestly, it annoys me because it dismisses all the fascinating non-white and/or female characters that already exist. They're playing into the same sexist, racist stereotypes that say that white male = interesting, fully developed human being, while a CoC can only be a CoC and a woman is always a woman.

all the fascinating non-white and/or female characters that already exist

If a character is fascinating and well developed, then I assume it wouldn't be considered broken.

I think the source of 90% of the wank about whether a character is broken or not is that characters that are drawn in broad strokes with fucked up backstories will seem completely broken and not worth bothering with to some people but to other people they will have "so much potential". The problem is that the people who see the "potential" are not getting that they want to see it and that other people may prefer to write a character who's less of a fixer-upper.

But during these discussion people usually focus on the 'broken' female characters while ignoring all of the interesting ones. If someone says, "I write about CoC/women because they're not as interesting," you should respond by showing them that they're wrong, not pressuring them to write about all the characters that bore them.

I agree, though there are fandoms where this could be hard to do.

It's sort of doubly confusing because OP didn't even put well-written male characters they prefer, just "guy stuff." You have to decide between writing women/POCs and white dues forever and evar? Women and POCs are the yucky toys? There are no well-written women or POCs it would be fun to write about? OP has a weird state of mind...

It's somewhat disturbing to see a black woman doll all dirty and dismembered like that too. I know, I know, oversensitive.

Nah, I agree that it's disturbing while at the same time finding it obnoxious as hell that people expect me to write/rewrite characters THEY think have "potential" that I'd just as soon not write, ostensibly because the character is female or of colour.

And there are many well-written women/POCs to write about GENERALLY, but in some fandoms there's a dearth. Heroes was particularly bad. In the first season, the major black (African diasporic) characters were an elderly man who died, a scary Haitian who never got a name and stole people's memories, a convicted felon married to a stripper, and a woman who got killed in a fight between two guys who were both in love with her who mostly served to motivate men to do things and was never seen with a single female friend. The major female characters were a stripper with severe mental health issues, an invincible teenage girl who could not be killed, yet constantly needed rescuing because she was cute and female, an older woman who started out as a crazy mother figure and turned out to be evil, an FBI agent we didn't see much of, an untrustworthy seductive manipulator of minds, a woman who was disabled because of her husband's power whose disability and then cure thereof were all about manipulating his character, and a scared child that people wanted to kill. And an untrustworthy firestarter whose first thought upon being reunited with her daughter she'd thought dead for years was how much she could soak the dad for. And the black woman who got killed by her boyfriends fighting. Um yeah okay.

Some of these characters were interesting to me and others were not, but there were generally large amounts of fail in every single one of their characterisations and in second season I remember getting into a fight just like this about a Latin female character that some people thought needed to be rescued from writers by fans (which I was all for people doing IF THEY WANTED TO) and I just thought had so much fail in her background I didn't even want to think about her--seriously they took her from the Dominican Republic to the US through Mexico just so they could put more fail in her backstory.

Oh yeah, I'm cool with people who just don't want to write what they see as poorly-made characters. I only think it's rude if you devote entire fics to bashing them or something. Personally I absolutely love rewriting characters with potential, but it doesn't make me better, I just like having a challenge after being bored at work all day. :\

Sorry to hear people pressure you. I wish I could put "People can write whatever the fuck they want to write, so long as it's not hurting anyone" in the Livejournal banner.

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