[ SECRET POST #1174 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1174 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

Re: 135

[ginzai.livejournal.com]

Oh, he was a shitty father. I'm not gonna deny that. I just don't think that the Stanford argument is enough for this sort of ire. If the OP had put something in about how he'd apparently been drunk far too often, dragged his kids all over the place, kicked one out, abandoned another, and then lied to them about the third, let his rage and grief and sorrow overcome his ability to be a decent man, and allowed his quest for vengence to blind him to the damage he was causing to his kids, I'd understand where they were coming from.

It still wouldn't be enough for me to want to see him burn in Hell forever because John did try even when he failed, but I'd be able to understand their perspective. Limiting it solely to the Stanford argument just seems oddly petty to me.

Re: 135

[soymade.livejournal.com]

I don't think they were intentionally limiting it, just calling it up as an example.

But no, I don't think he should go to Hell. In fact, my instinctive reaction to John is to hug him and wail "you were just doing the best you coulllllllld!"

Re: 135

[ginzai.livejournal.com]

Honestly, I very much got the impression that it was the Stanford argument that was their main beef with John:

"He disowned his own son, just because Sam didn't want to be a hunter...Nothing he can say can make up for that....Any man who'd disown his child just because his son didn't do exactly as he wanted deserves to rot in hell."

No mention of what John did to Dean or to Adam, nor even of the other things John did to Sam. It was all about him deserving to burn in Hell because he "disowned" Sam. And like others have mentioned, even that is an overly simplistic look at the situation because it was never just forcing Sam to be a hunter, it was also concern about Sam being in danger and what Sam was in danger of becoming.

In fact, my instinctive reaction to John is to hug him and wail "you were just doing the best you coulllllllld!"

I KNOW! He DID try, the poor guy. He certainly wasn't perfect and he made a lot of mistakes, but considering how damaged he was, I doubt he could have done much better.