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fandomsecrets2010-03-23 04:32 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2010-03-23 04:32 pm
[ SECRET POST #1174 ]
⌈ Secret Post #1174 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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Re: 147
And we DO live in a society where thin is what the vast majority of people want and promote. Quite honestly, if all it takes for someone to think fat is cool and model their life after it is ONE example in a sea of examples that are a direct contradiction to that, then that person is kind of silly to start with and it's really not the example's fault. I think it's insanely unrealistic to say Gabourey Sidibe is all it's going take to make young girls want to eat a ton of McDonald's. They have so many other examples to counteract that.
And there was a lot of "some" in that sentence. That's my point- scientifically, you can only make a judgment about populations when it comes to any causal factor on average creating health problems- as obesity has been shown to be a causal factor. Within individuals, you have to look at the INDIVIDUAL factors, which, in GS's case, you can't know unless you're her doctor. Even then, I'm pretty darn certain that she knows it's unhealthy for her to be fat, as would anyone who doesn't live under a rock. Maybe she's okay with being unhealthy- that's her decision. It has no bearing on whether or not she's a good role model for other reasons (like that she's intelligent, or successful, etc.).
By your logic, every single time I step out of my house as a fat person, if I'm happy and successful and smart, I'm setting a bad example for children because I'm not unhappy with my weight, or I don't admit to wanting to change it. I think that's incredibly unrealistic and doesn't give individual people enough credit in the determination of their own lives. People have control over themselves, whatever choices they make, and to scapegoat and place all the blame on someone else (it's GS's fault, or partially her fault, that Jenny wanted to be fat, it's not Jenny's fault) that's incredibly sad and immature.
Re: 147
And I'm not talking about judging individual's for their lifestyle choices. I'm talking about judging people who know that people are looking at them; people do ridiculous things because celebrities endorse them or there would be no reason for a celebrity (vs your average spokesperson or spokesmodel) to advertise a given product. Celebrities have power to influence us and that's a simple (sad) truth of today's world.
By your logic, every single time I step out of my house as a fat person, if I'm happy and successful and smart, I'm setting a bad example for children because I'm not unhappy with my weight, or I don't admit to wanting to change it. A thousand times NO to this. That was NOT my logic and I never claimed my statement or opinion to be logical in the first place; they're merely my statements and opinions.
What I am saying is that someone who is in the public eye and is living a morally or emotionally or physically negative lifestyle (whether it be overeating, undereating, drugs, alcohol, adultery or anything else) steps out of their house and attempts to make that 'okay' to the public eye or, worse, the public eye is the one saying that it is okay -- that makes a bad impression on people looking at them and can encourage similar bad behavior.
I don't know you, but I think I can assume you aren't a celebrity, which ought to limit your scope of influence on a younger generation and therefor limit any negative impact you might (and I'm not saying you are, merely indicating that it might be a possibility) be having on people.
And I don't like definite statements. You said point blank that I said you're a bad example if you aren't unhappy with your weight. That isn't true. If you're a happy person, that's fantastic for other people to see. If you're successful in whatever it is you do with your life, that's also fantastic. Both of those things make you a good role model in those regards. But if you are overweight (and I think it should be obvious here that I'm not talking about you particularly if you're less than 40 pounds overweight or so; I'm talking about people who are morbidly obese, here), then you ARE a bad role model for healthy eating because there is no way you (or anyone) could possibly be a good role model for healthy eating if you are morbidly obese.
I mean, look: as soon as my parents starting eating in an unhealthy way, myself and the rest of my siblings started to, too. Until that point, we were all very healthy (in weight and diet) and active children. The sad truth is that there are people out there over whom celebrities have more influence than their own parents. And if we say that it's okay for GS to be that size, then at some point there will be another actress or actor that size for whom it will be okay. And then another and another. And that's when it will become a problem.
So you know what? If I have to be a perfect bitch about it? If in thirty or forty years from now when I watch TV all of the people are fifty or seventy pounds overweight? Then I can and I will blame GS and the media's reaction to her as being the turning point.
Re: 147
For funsies I'm just gonna point out the logical fallacies you're using in this argument-
http://www.onegoodmove.org/fallacy/toc.htm
The system that perpetrates the bad body image is the same thing as matchstick models.
Category Error: Division: because the whole has a certain property, it is argued that the parts have that property. (In other words, the system is not the individuals behaving in a certain way because of the system aka mistaken causality)
And if we say that it's okay for GS to be that size, then at some point there will be another actress or actor that size for whom it will be okay. And then another and another. And that's when it will become a problem.
Slippery Slope: a series of increasingly unacceptable consequences is drawn. (In other words, since we let GS be fat and accepted her, more and more and more actors will be fat. Which, if you honestly believe that's gonna happen? You haven't really been paying attention to the world.)
If in thirty or forty years from now when I watch TV all of the people are fifty or seventy pounds overweight? Then I can and I will blame GS and the media's reaction to her as being the turning point.
Post Hoc: because one thing follows another, it is held to cause the other.
I'm talking about people who are morbidly obese, here), then you ARE a bad role model for healthy eating because there is no way you (or anyone) could possibly be a good role model for healthy eating if you are morbidly obese.
Fallacy of Exclusion: evidence which would change the outcome of an inductive argument is excluded from consideration. (In other words, some people who are morbidly obese DO eat healthily, but their morbid obesity has another cause. For example- http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100203131401.htm)