[ SECRET POST #1177 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1177 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

101.


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102.


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103.
(Army Wives)


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104.
[Being Human]


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105.
[Clerks]


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106.
[Patti Boyd/Beatles]


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107.
[Sasameki Koto]


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108.
[Rock & Rule]


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109.
[Power Rangers: Lightspeed Rescue]


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110.
[Eric Saade and Andreas Johnson]


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111.
(Empire Records/BSG)


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112.
(Blake's 7)


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113.
[FF13]


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114.
[Kristin Chenoweth]


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115.
[Jan Josef Liefers/Christoph Waltz]


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116.
[Yuu Yuu Hakusho]


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117.
[Kerli's Tea Party]


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118.
[The Lonely Island/Lady Gaga]


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119.
[Star Wars: Knight of the Old Republic]


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120.


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121.
[treksixwords]


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122.
["Hamish & Andy"]


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123.
[Cowboy Bebop]


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124.
[Cable and Deadpool, Avengers, Young Avengers]


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125.
[Placebo]


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126.
[skins]


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127.
[Celtic Thunder]


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128.
[Alan Turing]


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129.
[skins]


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130.


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131.
[iCarly]


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132.
[Powerpuff Girls]


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133.
[Big Time Rush]


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134.
[30 Rock]


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135.
[Love Never Dies]


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136.
(Hanna Is Not a Boy's Name)


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137.
[vlogbrothers]


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138.
[Blake's 7]


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139.
[A Very Potter Musical]


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140.


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141.
[Ouran]


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142.
[Heavy Rain]


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143.
[Magic Knight Rayearth]


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144.
[Mata Hari]


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145.
[Moral Orel]


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146.
[Katawa Shoujo]


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147.


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148.
[Rebel Without a Cause/Sal Mineo and James Dean]


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149.
[Merlin/Bradley James]


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150.
[SAW]


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152.


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153.
[Archer]


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154.
(200 Cigarettes)


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155.
(Hanna Is Not a Boy's Name)


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156. [SPOILERS for Harry Potter]



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157. [SPOILERS for Dollhouse]



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158. [SPOILERS for Glee]



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159. [SPOILERS for Skins]



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160. [SPOILERS for Dr Who]



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161. [SPOILERS for Skins]



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162. [SPOILERS for Bioshock]




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Comments

[carey-pontmercy.livejournal.com]

I actually agree with you. I'm angry that they tried to make Raoul into an unsympathetic character, but ultimately found his character sympathetic. This was partly out of spite and partly because I just didn't believe that the Raoul of the original would naturally evolve into a drunk, shouty, son-neglecting gambling addict. The worst thing that he does in the original is initially not believe Christine when she says that there's an angel-ghost-phantom-thing after her (which is understandable, given that those are all mythical creatures and Christine's not real level-headed). He doesn't get drunk. He doesn't gamble. He loses his temper way less often and way more reasonably than the Phantom. He adores Christine. The change just isn't believable...unless something happened in between the original and LND to make him that way. Personally, I think that Christine drove him to it by lusting after the Phantom all those years.

As for Meg, I didn't believe that she would be so devoted to the Phantom, considering that she's practically the leader of the mob that goes after him, but I felt nothing but sorry for her. And I unironically love her Dark Reprise of "Bathing Beauty", too.

[resounding-echo.livejournal.com]

Do you think they tried to make Raoul into an unsympathetic character? I'll admit he is a cheap ploy to cause discontent in Christine's life, but he isn't unsympathetic--certainly not in the second act.

I think the really interesting thing is that every phan against this show claims that Raoul's drunkenness and aggression is a cliche to make Christine choose the Phantom, but in LND, Christine doesn't choose the Phantom over Raoul, at least not knowingly. And, one could argue, she doesn't choose him at all. Think about it: she has no idea of the wager between the Phantom and Raoul, let alone the implications of her singing (her saying she needs to sing for him one last time does not a commitment make), she actively rejects the Phantom at the close of 'Beneath a Moonless Sky', and she seems genuinely upset when she finds Raoul's "Dear John" note after her performance.

I agree, Raoul's actions and the way he deals with his anger and grief are different than how his character handles them in the original. I feel that we are meant to understand/assume that these characters have changed drastically in the past ten years. I'm not saying it's a satisfying explanation, but when people freak out over how much these characters have changed, I just want to say, "well, yeah."

My personal interpretation of Raoul in the sequel is not unlike the Raoul at the end of Kay's novel; his anger and grief are the direct result of the ongoing realization that he cannot satisfy a very urgent and real desire in Christine (music), and that perhaps she does not love him in the manner that he desires. We are seeing the end results of Raoul's pain, but the source of that pain happens off stage. I think that is why Raoul is so sympathetically treated in the second act--we get glimpses of what must have happened once Christine returned from her night with the Phantom.

I didn't believe that she would be so devoted to the Phantom, considering that she's practically the leader of the mob that goes after him

You know, I've seen this argument a few times lately, but the really interesting thing to me is that I never interpreted "Track Down This Murderer" that way. I think in the whole of PotO Meg is curious, but her curiosity never morphs into the blind hatred and fear of the unknown. I think she goes down to the lair because she wants to witness more than contribute to the action. Perhaps she doesn't even know what her actions would be if she had stumbled upon the Phantom. Maybe she'd help. Who knows.

Personally, I've never really understood why Meg's role is written the way it is in the original. In a sense, she is the audience's link: she's interested in the action, a witness to the mysteries, and ultimately invested in its closure. But I'll admit when I first saw the play, I couldn't understand why she was privileged with the close of the act. Why does the young girl need to find the mask, the last link? Is she a stand-in for Christine? Or is she merely a device to showcase the Phantom's last feat of illusion and mystery?

But back on point, I love Meg's dark reprises. Seriously, I can only stand "By The Sea" because of how haunting and creepy that melody becomes when twisted into Meg's view of the world. I appreciate "Bathing Beauty" as base vaudeville, and love again how it's turned into a dark musing on Meg's mental state.

[carey-pontmercy.livejournal.com]

Well, I suppose that they didn't mean to make Raoul completely unsympathetic, given "Why Does She Love Me?" and his "Dear John" letter. However, they do put him in a generally bad light. My main problem is that there is not even a shadow of the flaws that he has in LND (the gambling addiction, the drinking, the hair-trigger temper, the coldness, the "Well, yeah? You're ugly!" attitude towards the Phantom) in the original. I'd only buy that he changed so drastically in the interval if I saw that change take place.

As for Meg, it's not really the mob thing that bothers me so much; I just said that for the sake of brevity. It's the psychology that gets me. For the entirety of the original, she only knows the Phantom as this mysterious figure who does nasty things, which would hardly inspire any sort of trust. How does she go from that to "please please please pay attention to me" in ten years? She's already in her mid-teens (I assume, anyway) by the end of the original, so these aren't even particularly formative years for her. Plus, he's not putting effort into winning her devotion like he did to Christine; in fact, he's ignoring her. To me, it makes more sense that she'd be desperate for her mother's approval, which might lead her to devote herself to the Phantom anyway. However, in LND, it's definitely his approval that she wants. I'm not saying that this couldn't be made believable, but "ten years later, everybody was really, really different and damned if I know why" isn't the way to go about it. It's just lazy.