[ SECRET POST #1225 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1225 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

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Comments

Re: 101, 102, 111, 115, 131, 135, 143, 146, 147, 150

[meadowphoenix]

1) You're right of course, my mother isn't Michael Jackson. My point however was that you were making judgments on something you know nothing about. And then were completely dismissive of other people's thoughts about it, as if your judgments was all that was authoritative. As I said, it indicates a lack of self awareness.

2)I don't agree with your definition of spoiled brat at all, nor do I think you were involved in his personal life enough to know how he made decisions. Your definition encompasses a lot of people, including I would say most Americans who bought a house they couldn't pay for, and all of those Greeks who decided they didn't want to pay taxes. I wouldn't call them spoiled brats. The word specifically has to do with being unable to accept the word no because people saying no is unfamiliar. Considering his childhood, that appellation is incorrect.

Re: 101, 102, 111, 115, 131, 135, 143, 146, 147, 150

[velvet-mace.livejournal.com]

1) A lack of self-awareness? Seriously? I don't think that word means what you think it does. But if by this you mean that I should not be incredulous of people who say things that are patently the opposite of all evidence, I disagree. The OP hasn't earned any of my respect with hers.

2) I wondered when you'd get around to suggesting his childhood excuses his behavior. Spoiling can happen at any age. It's caused by a lack of discipline and reasonable consistantly enforced rules. Punishment and discipline aren't the same thing. As a child he may have been abused, but that doesn't give him the right, as an adult, to do whatever the hell he wants. No he as an adult man should not be having sleepovers with underaged boys. Everyone in that household knew he shouldn't. He chose to ignore advice and do it anyway. He got rid of doctors who told him what he didn't want to hear, and got himself a doctor who would allow him to abuse drugs. He got rid of the plastic surgeons that said "no" to the surgeries that ultimately destroyed his looks. He showed absolutely no financial restraint. He attempted to buy John Merirks remains and was thwarted because he damn well had no reason for having them.

Leave the Greeks and homeowners out of this. The homeowners wasn't caused by individual overreaching, but rather a pervasive flaw with the entire system that baffled even economists and trapped even savvy homeowners. The greek government didn't pursue tax cheats and the problem mushroomed. There's plenty of blame to be had there, but it wasn't a matter of individual discipline.

Re: 101, 102, 111, 115, 131, 135, 143, 146, 147, 150

[meadowphoenix]

1) Irrationally deriding others for what you think is an irrational opinion, while refusing to believe that anything you say is an opinion and not fact=lack of self-awareness, at least. Note: what you say is an opinion because you have to interpret the facts and assume things to get to your "evidence." You have no personal experience. This is why hearsay is not allowed in American courts.

2)Don't derail the argument with assumptions. I never said his childhood excused his behavior. I said that spoiled brat is not the correct term, because of his childhood. You could've have used another more appropriate term. You didn't. I don't think spoiling can happen at any age, since neurologically that's not how decision making works. Nor do I think thinking you know better than everyone is spoiled behavior. I think it's superior behavior, but not spoiled. You could just as easily say he was single-minded. According to your definition on spoiled, those people were spoiled: they didn't listen to good advice, and refused to consider the consequences. That's your def, not mine. Yes, there is plenty of blame, especially on the economic and political systems that fatally augmented the collective lack of individual discipline. If you pay your taxes, which is pretty much the only way the government makes money, there is no problem to mushroom. If you were denied a mortgage before, and nothing's changed, know that the reason you were denied before was that people thought you couldn't pay for the house, and be a little suspicious of why someone is giving you a house now, when prices have risen. Just because the government and banks played enablers, doesn't mean the problem didn't have a lot to do with people ignoring the consequences of their decisions.

Frankly, we can agree to disagree on what makes someone spoiled. I think you're wrong, you think I'm wrong, whatever. My point still remains that you seem to think your opinion is fact. You question the mental state of someone who also has an opinion, and think this is a rational response. Insist that it's a rational response, although it's quite irrational. This makes you unaware of your self, if not other things.

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[dorknessrising.livejournal.com]

My point still remains that you seem to think your opinion is fact. You question the mental state of someone who also has an opinion, and think this is a rational response. Insist that it's a rational response, although it's quite irrational. This makes you unaware of your self, if not other things.

Can I fangirl you for putting that far more eloquently than I could have?

Re: 101, 102, 111, 115, 131, 135, 143, 146, 147, 150

[meadowphoenix]

:giggles: Oh my! :fans herself nervously: I've never had a fangirl before. Maybe we should start an eloquence fandom? Saving the internet, one post at a time!