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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2010-06-19 05:06 pm

[ SECRET POST #1264 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1264 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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(Anonymous) 2010-06-20 03:33 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not that familiar with anime; I thought from the first few comments that it was referring to trans characters.


So... you don't even actually know the meaning of the term. But nevertheless you're confident that you can lecture others on its horrible implications. Horrible implications which could in no way exist purely in the mind of someone who is taking the term out of context. (I'll give you a hint, for free: the same corner of the Internet that gave us the term "trap" for a crossdresser such as Bridget is the very same corner that gave us the adage "Everyone's gay for Bridget.")

[personal profile] ex_mrs260625 2010-06-20 04:41 am (UTC)(link)
I know the meaning of the term outside anime fandom. I was unaware that anime fans had invented an almost identical but bigotry-free version.

I am willing to believe that anime fans are using a direct translation of a Japanese term without being aware of the Western cultural narrative that makes it so horrible in English. That being said, I would recommend that you refrain from using the term outside your corner of the internet. It really is most offensive.

[identity profile] oflittlebrain.livejournal.com 2010-06-20 08:08 pm (UTC)(link)
anime fans are using a direct translation of a Japanese term without being aware of the Western cultural narrative that makes it so horrible in English.

Well, no one said it was originally Japanese. But in anime fandom it's simply become a term used to refer to "convincing" crossdressing characters, with no insult intended. And this usage has become so common that I simply was unaware that the word was more commonly a malicious one. Therefore... I dunno, I think it's alright to use the term in the context of this secret.

[personal profile] ex_mrs260625 2010-06-20 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I was mainly just hoping it was a translation of a more innocent Japanese expression. I figured it was the kindest explanation, excusing the largest possible number of anime fans.

I can understand the OP using the term while being ignorant of its nasty implications. If they didn't know, they didn't know. I hope that now that they do know, they'll refrain from using it.