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Ok, just a general announcement.

ONE, "trigger warnings" are for COMMON triggers only. Things like talk of rape, abuse, child abuse, eating disorders, self-harm, serious drug use, and suicide are common triggers. Less common ones are homo/transphobia/gender dysphoria, blood, needles, knives -- or traumatic events (Holocaust, genocides, earthquakes, 9/11, you know what I'm talking about). Gender identity is not a common trigger. Food is not a common trigger. Mudkips (mudkips, really?) are not a common trigger. Someone just gave me a secret with a trigger warning listed for a whole movie. No. You are doing triggers wrong.

TWO, RFTM. Or the FAQs, at least.
They're right here: http://community.livejournal.com/fandomsecrets/104153.html
- Why isn't my secret up!?!? Question 4.
- Why is the subs post closed!?!? Question 9.
- How come my second secret got posted before the first!? Is it lost!?!? Question 7.
- HOW DOES I JOINED!? IT'S THE FIRST QUESTION.

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That's it. (:

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That's what it's for COMMON triggers. What the hell is it with people? F!S isn't like going a movie with a rating on it, where you know what shit will likely follow based on why something is rated whatever. People who were raped as children, discovered the body of someone they loved after suicide, witnessed drug abuse in a parent, etc have the right to be upset over reminders of those things, and they should be warned. That's all they're trying to do, put up some kind of warning to help out people who don't want to see images of those things, or read shit about how much the abuse & rape of young girls (or whatever) turns some random OP on. Go ahead and be fine with it, good for you.

and to hell with anyone that says you should stay away from f!s because of this: "lols! don't do the things you enjoy! You've had bad experiences!"

They can be upset all they want and it sucks that something bad happened to them, but that doesn't mean that other people are obligated to acknowledge their sensitivity.

Ten bucks says you're an American. What is with this sense of entitlement that has befallen everyone?

Just because you have personal problems does not make it someone else's business, nor does it mean I have to CENSOR MYSELF on your behalf. No kidding there aren't ratings on f!s but if you use COMMON SENSE, you know that you're going to SEE THINGS that talk about: rape, bestiality, incest, suicide, depression, drug abuse, slavery, etc. etc. etc.

Do you know why that is?

Because these things are CONSTANTLY addressed in pop culture and this place is for FANDOM RELATED SECRETS. Fandom, by definition, is a collection of fans of something. Most of the FANDOMS discussed (i.e. Supernatural, Doctor Who, Lost, various movies, Star Trek, etc.) are related in one way or another to actual occurrences in reality. (Such as abuse, depression, death, etc.)

The reason we are fans of anything is because we can RELATE to these things. Shows and movies and comics and books are PROFITABLE because people use them to psychologically escape or address things in their own lives. I thought this would be pretty self-explanatory, but I guess not.

i am going to approve of this comment, too.
i'm not so good with words, so i come off insensitive and shit-- and i can't verbalize what i'm really thinking as well as you can, but you pretty much nailed it on the head for me.

how long have you been in f!s. this isn't just about the secrets that talk about those things, this also includes the ones that actually include imagery that relates to that issue.

& ten bucks tells me you're a spoiled shit that's spent most of your life dedicated to escapism simply because you're bored and not because it's actually relieved any kind of real pain.

you want to sound like a champion for the later, but a lot of that group spoke up and said that they don't appreciate the former being so fucking cavalier about shit that they've only experienced through fiction and not reality.

You think that some people are jumping on the band wagon about this because they're addicted to the overly romanticized version of "real problems" and what to take part, but comments like this tell me that some people honestly think that that's how the world really is, that it's really no big deal when fiction sometimes exploits the suffering of people to amuse desensitized fucks like yourself.

and you don't have to worry about censoring yourself in f!s because it's going to be done for you. with the way some people on here go on about how everyone should be made to look at images of rape, murder, incest etc, i really don't have an issue with that.

Newsflash: having an assumption about me and claiming it to be fact is ignorant and uninformed.

I never said anything about anyone jumping on any type of "bandwagon". Also? You clearly missed the point I was trying to make about pop culture and fandom secrets.

What I said was that fiction is generally one part escapism, one part facing your fears. Controversial topics that are addressed through "FANDOMS" pertaining to TV shows, movies, books, comics, etc. are specifically used to enable the audience to RELATE to the material.

I have never been spoiled, nor do I "dedicate my life to escapism because I'm bored". Is that why you're into whatever fandoms you're into? Because you're bored? You have no idea what sort of things I've suffered in my life and it's laughable that you think fiction doesn't help relieve the tension of every day life.

For instance, if you have ever read a fairy tale, then you would be privy to know that fairy tales are actually metaphors for controversial subjects that come up in every day life. Little Red Riding Hood is a perfect example of the subject pertaining to "a young lady losing her virginity."

Good fiction is filled with metaphor and subtext, which are the very reasons why we pay any attention to shows, movies, books, comics, etc. in the first place. In order to fully understand the work of fiction you are engaged in, you have to learn how to analyze and translate metaphor and subtext. Otherwise, the work in question is shallow, not enjoyable, and not easy to relate to.

The fact of the matter is that people who have suffered trauma severe enough to "trigger" an emotional response feel that they are ENTITLED to warnings above certain secrets. Yet, the reality of the situation is that secrets are being unnecessarily censored by the maintainer of the community in an effort to both appease and accommodate this small group of people.

And for the record, just because someone is censoring something for me does not make the censorship any less appalling. I do not agree with the fact that certain subject matter must be labeled solely because some people have triggers.

In my opinion, you know what you're getting yourself into when you visit this community because it has ALWAYS been filled with controversial subject matter. Furthermore, I am fully aware that there are also images which can act as triggers.

Do you expect Google or Photobucket, for example, to warn for common triggers? Of course not! Why? Because that would be ridiculous and unnecessary. Things are going to crop up in life that act as triggers all the time. This does not mean that the rest of the world will bend to your personal needs.

So, do people with triggers avoid Google and Photobucket? Do they avoid reading the daily news (which is a common source for triggering emotional trauma?) Do they avoid controversial movies, shows, books, comics, and conversation?

If so, then perhaps they should AVOID a public community wherein lies the potential for an emotional trigger.

If not, then they are capable of handling the junk that commonly appears in secrets.

i think the problem is that some people go to f!s not expecting that shit because most of the time it is pretty tame. I don't agree with the aggressive censoring of some items, but the obvious ones yes. it always comes back to people trying to go slippery slope on this because they can't understand why someone would be bothered by something they normally enjoy suddenly flashing an image concerning something like rape or child abuse. it's happened.

the commenting on this matter started with the fact that you compare people who don't want to see images of "rape, abuse, child abuse, eating disorders, self-harm, serious drug use, and suicide" to some issue you have with a particular bug. perhaps you were bitten by thing bug and it almost killed you or whatever, but you've accepted that not everyone is going to know this and shouldn't make a big deal over it for you.

people should generally understand why issues like those that are listed under the "common" triggers should be handled with care.

I agree with you, but my trigger is just as valid as someone's rape trigger. Just because the latter may seem more severe does not discount my own fears. My sensitivity to the creature is such that I can't even look at a picture of it. And I have seen MANY pictures of it on f!s, but I would never think to proclaim that the community maintainer should censor those items based on my personal fears. It's just not necessary and I recognize that there will always be something out there to trigger my fear.

I understand perfectly that triggers should be handled with care, but it isn't up to the community or the rest of the world to handle it; it's up to the person with the trigger to learn how to function with such an incapacitating emotional trauma.

sorry, but I consider images and talk of rape to be something that can be considered an obscenity and pornographic. it's fucking obvious why tech has agreed to put it under some kind of warning.

and the issue with things like rape versus things like being bitten by bugs aren't comparable in my mind because rape involves another human taking power from you to do as they feel they want to. it's abuse, not an accident. violent crimes with other people harming other people are traumatic because ANOTHER HUMAN did that to you/them. While I agree that you have every right to be upset about the sight of this bug, I hope you understand that it's not comparable to someone getting over the knowledge that someone like a parent or friend or even a random stranger would maliciously attack and do such a thing to them. Bugs are bugs, we get that, people are another matter all together.

also, what are the nature of these secrets with this bug? I'm genuinely curious...

also

http://community.livejournal.com/fandomsecrets/508516.html?thread=314232420#t314232420

So... I flip absolute shit around insects and arachnids of any kind, to the point that being in the same room with one causes me to have fits of paranoia, close-up images prevent me from being able to sleep properly at night, and actually coming into contact with one will send me into a screaming panic attack. And this is somehow less valid than someone suffering similar reactions to being reminded of some act of violence in their life?

Your fear of bugs has deeply affected your ability to function in society, hold down jobs, keep or start close relationships, presented medical challenges during the recovery? It's interfered with the carrying out of things you once enjoyed? You have you been hospitalized for it, asked to go to court and filed criminal records over it? Does it affect your ability to trust people, as well as changed aspect of your faith?

Really?
Really!!!???

Yes, yes, no, in a way, yes, almost, almost, yes, no.

My hometown FILLS with insects during parts of the year, making it very difficult to go to school, work, and the homes of people I care for. I've almost been fired for having a panic attack in the middle of a crowded lobby when I picked up a napkin and found ants. Anyone I care about understands after they witness me flip the first time. You know how hard it is to get a medical professional in a podunk, ghetto-ass town to accept 'insectophobia' as a legitimate disorder? I can't go to the beach anymore, or to the park most of the year. I almost crashed a car when a bee got inside with me, which would have led to both hospitalization and a police report. I can't trust someone once they're stuck a dead beetle to my pen to watch my reaction. I'm an atheist.

Yes, REALLY.

And for clarification, since I apparently fail at finding the fucking edit button:

No, I don't think rape and creepie-crawlies are on the same level, by themselves. It's the reaction, not the cause, that I'm on about. Why are my panic attacks and flip-outs somehow less meaningful because of their source? How the hell am I supposed to overcome something that's become a genuine issue, when all anyone can ever say is 'pfft, man up, pussy, they're just bugs'. Yeah, and I lie awake at night, staring at smudges on the wall and praying with all of my heart and soul that they don't start moving. Fuck you.

And no, I don't think Techno should warn for bugs. I don't think Techno should warn for a goddamn thing, because people should know what they're getting into when they show up here.

cool story bro.

sorry, but I consider images and talk of rape to be something that can be considered an obscenity and pornographic.

Obscene material is technically illegal to distribute in the USA, whereas pornographic material is not. So would you like to outlaw people discussing rape? What about all the noncon fiction in fandom? Would you like to outlaw that, too?

The whole -and very good - point of avoiding censorship of ANY kind in the first place is because history teaches us that it is an aggregate or insidious, creeping kind of curtailment of free speech. First it's warning for rape and noncon (something that 99% of fandom has always done anyway without any prompting), then it's demanding trigger warnings, then food/alcohol use, then mudkips, and now someone wanting it to be classified as an obscenity to even discuss the subject of rape. Censorship in these particular cases of fandom triggers/warnings etc is an issue of entitlement run amok.

While I agree that you have every right to be upset about the sight of this bug, I hope you understand that it's not comparable to someone getting over the knowledge that someone like a parent or friend or even a random stranger would maliciously attack and do such a thing to them. Bugs are bugs, we get that, people are another matter all together.

You're doing the exact same thing that you accused the previous poster of doing: belitting their trauma and saying his trauma is less than yours because it isn't ~~your~~ trauma.

Wow that one flew over your head so fucking fast I'm surprised it didn't knock you on your ass.

seriously, this is hardly a case of someones free speech being infringed on, it's a fucking warning. it's not like anyone is stopping you from seeing the material, just helping those who would rather not SEE IT avoid it if they want to. bitch when the material is no longer allowed into the community and you might have a case.

also, in no motherfucking way is anyone who honestly gets what this post is supposed to be about going to compare a phobia of bugs to the fucking CRIME OF RAPE!!! The fact that you, and several of the other dipshits on here agree that they are comparable is fucking laughable.

No, you are comparing the crime of rape (an event) to not putting warnings on fandom secrets (a non event, and incidentally not even a crime). The crime of rape in question was, as I understand only from what I've read here, an actual event that occurred years ago and has nothing to do with the person who is phobic to bugs. Expecting the person who is phobic to bugs to shoulder the blame or the guilt for it in any way is what is laughable. What you mean when you say "helping those who would rather not see it to avoid it" is that you believe that compassion is worthless unless someone does you a favor (such as labeling the internet for content that would trigger you), or acts on their compassion to help you out. Again, you are saying that another's emotions do not matter.

What I AM comparing is the measurement and exchange of compassion from one human to another. In example, person A feels they deserve all the compassion because they were raped. They do not consider person B's distressing phobia worthy of any compassion from anyone. They treat it like a contest ("my pain is bigger than your pain"), which is exactly what you just did.

Until you can allow that everyone has an equal right and expectation to compassion - and not just the ones you sympathize with or agree with - without using personal yardsticks, then even talking about compassion is a lost cause.

This is the problem right here, it does get turned into a contest. Not an uncommon ordeal in fandom where people want to compare all of their problems in a one-uping-contest.

Images in this community showing rape and the like are already flagged and hidden under a link. The mod has now agreed that they will put up "trigger warnings" as another type of "rating". Persons A is fine with this. Person B shows up bitching about how this is some shit and then starts saying that Rape Really Isn't That Big of a Deal, because they're afraid of bugs and it's just the same for them to see pictures of bugs as it is for a rape survivor to see images of rape.

Person B is suddenly under attack for being a douche because they're offering up their phobia as a "MY PROBLEMS ARE AS BAD/IF NOT WORSE THAN YOURS!"

Why this is fucked up is more obvious to some (http://community.livejournal.com/fandomsecrets/508516.html?thread=314232420#t314232420).

Re: slippery slope much????

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It seems reasonable to me if you have an actual trigger, and you're doing something where you might encounter it, have someone you trust review it for you. For example, my fiance has a trigger that yes, if he sees an image of it he can black out. But it's not a common one, so if I see it on F!S I will warn him, and if he encounters it himself he's not going to blame The Internets for not catering to him. (In fact, he fully expects that if The Internet found out about it, he'd be sent pictures of it for the lulz. Because The Internet is a cruel and horrible thing)

Nobody said "don't do things you don't enjoy because of your bad experiences." What was said is that the people on the internet are not obligated to censor themselves to one person's sensitivity.

The common way to beat trauma is to face it head on. Pick up a psychology book and get back to me. :)

lols at your understanding of how therapy is supposed to work.

"LOLS" at your misunderstanding of entitlement.

i hope you realize that you're coming off as someone that has a bit of an entitlement issue yourself.

Please explain. :)

no amount of explaining will help you understand this. sorry.

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yawn.

outlaw it?

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