[ SECRET POST #1271 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1271 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[thene]

Uh, the Boss was affected by giving birth but she was also affected by going to space, by fighting in WW2 and by killing someone she loved. Her philosophy, which is the part of her that had the largest effect on the plot, had nothing the hell to do with gender. One gendered experience does not an entire character make. I'd be interested to know whether that one experience makes you see her as 'unfamiliar', though. (I don't relate to Meryl's experience as being gendered much at all - the only gender thing I can think of related to Meryl is the whole bride thing, which isn't mentioned until the end of MGS4, so I find it hard to see it as a vital part of her personality. She's really concerned about not being a rookie and about living up to Roy and Matt's legacies but that is not to do with her femaleness.)

Reminding you of the first thing you said, the thing that prompted me to respond to you in the first place, is not quote-mining. If you don't prefer to write men because it's easier because women are unfamiliar to you, then I am genuinely confused as to why you wrote that comment.

Your comment about the US Army Rangers wasn't a response to one of mine so I didn't read it until just now. I see your point, but I fail to understand why anyone would a) want to write only about the US Army Rangers and nothing else, or b) if they did claim to only want to write about all-male groups, not see that claiming interest only in all-male groups is a strong sign of their own underlying sexism.

[ariseishirou.livejournal.com]

Of course it doesn't make her entire character. I never said that. It is, however, and undeniable part of her character. Robbing The Boss of her female experiences would be like robbing The Boss of her experiences as a soldier. Without them, it's not really The Boss anymore.

With respect to Meryl, have you not played MGS1? Because her driving conflict is reconciling her dislike of traditional femininity with social expectation of her, particularly military social expectations. She resolves many of these conflicts by MGS4, yes. Character development, and all that.

That said, I've had the same thoughts as you, and lately I'm trying to write with more and more female characters, especially protagonists. It's actually extremely rewarding, and has improved my writing by leaps and bounds.

Well, there, I'll remind you of the last thing I said. I don't prefer to write men at all. My protagonists are roughly in equal numbers, these days. If you read to the end, that's relatively clear. Hence, quote-mining.

I write about the Army Rangers because my fandom is about the Army Rangers. (And the frontline SAS, by the by, which is also an all-male regiment.) If one wants to write about the Army Rangers in a non-fandom related way, one might be interested in Operation Gothic Serpent, or one of their many engagements throughout history. That you "fail to understand" why is irrelevant to the discussion at hand. That's on you. I think Battle of Mogadishu was fascinating, and I really enjoy the Call of Duty series - that's why. Insinuating that's sexist is laughable at best - I also write about the female elite operators in Rainbow Six and F.E.A.R..

[(Anonymous)]

Wow, this entire thread is the violent collision of two different schools of feminism: idealism (we're all the same deep down and our experiences are human experiences) versus realism (regardless of our shared human experiences our societies treat us differently and this has a profound effect on our lives).

Huh. Neat. I'd never really thought about it before. Most Internet Arguments are silly, but this one educated this particular anon. I think you both have a point. Carry on!

[(Anonymous)]

not see that claiming interest only in all-male groups is a strong sign of their own underlying sexism.

So wanting to write one story about the US Army Rangers makes one sexist? I'm not going to turn into Tim O'Brien just because I'm in the mood to write a certain thing. Actually, Tim O'Brien is a good example of why someone would want to write only about the US Army Rangers without necessarily being sexist. You are generalizing far too much here.