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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2010-06-26 03:00 pm

[ SECRET POST #1271 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1271 ⌋

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[identity profile] gethenian.livejournal.com 2010-06-27 06:19 am (UTC)(link)
Paragraph 1: A+, agree. He does the same thing with projecting his ideas about gender onto people in a genderless society by making them more feminine -- i.e., referring to his "landlady," describing a girl who kindasorta tries to get him to boink her on the prisoner transport in Orgoreyn, the way he describes Ashe, who comes off as kind of a flouncy drama queen...


I recall that in part of the book, Genly mentions that some scientists from the Ekumen or something had determined that Earth-type humans and Gethenians would probably be able to reproduce together. There is technically no known reason why they couldn't. The only question would be whether the resulting offspring would have a fixed sex, or be an androgyne with kemmer cycles, or be infertile. My bet would be on the offspring of a Gethenian and Earth-type human being infertile -- an androgyne who does not go into kemmer. I would be curious as to the biological reasons for that, and whether the advanced medicine of Genly's time or even the existing medicine on Gethen would be able to offer a solution, I would assume in the form of hormone treatments. Could a child with one androgyne parent and one fixed-sex parent be born a sexually "normal" person of either type by giving the parent hormone treatments throughout the pregnancy? Or by giving the child hormone treatments throughout childhood or for their entire lives? I WONDER ABOUT A LOT OF STUFF. :O

WRITE IT. I'M TOO LAZY TO BE THE ONLY PERSON WHO WONDERS THIS SHIT.

[identity profile] cordelia-gray.livejournal.com 2010-06-27 07:20 am (UTC)(link)
They're all from the same original stock, right? The Gethenians and everyone else in the Ekumen are all descendants of some Old Earthican diaspora? And the Gethenians have been genetically modified to eliminate the sexes, but not in any other way. So it should work, in theory. I hadn't actually got as far as trying to figure out what the baby would be like - I guess I was thinking more that Estraven would die anyway, while pregnant, and then there would be OMG ANGST for everyone. Well, mostly for Ai.

I think sterile androgyne for the child seems most likely. Actually, come to think of it, is androgyne even the right word? Doesn't that technically mean having characteristic of both sexes? Really, a Gethenian outside of kemmer has characteristics of neither gender...

Also, I had to send a business letter at work last week to someone with the surname "Kemmerer" and I felt like I was telling a dirty joke. That no-one else in the world would appreciate. EXCEPT MAYBE YOU.

[identity profile] gethenian.livejournal.com 2010-06-27 07:46 am (UTC)(link)
They're all from the same original stock, right? The Gethenians and everyone else in the Ekumen are all descendants of some Old Earthican diaspora? And the Gethenians have been genetically modified to eliminate the sexes, but not in any other way.

That was my understanding, yes. They don't explicitly explain what happened, only that they BELIEVE the Gethenians were an abandoned genetic experiment planted on their planet by ancient Hainish people, whoever they were.

And yeah, Estraven would die anyway and lead to AnGsT but I still think about a lot of shit like that, especially when I like to toss the characters into other worlds and timelines and that sort of thing becomes possible. >.>


I think sterile androgyne for the child seems most likely. Actually, come to think of it, is androgyne even the right word? Doesn't that technically mean having characteristic of both sexes? Really, a Gethenian outside of kemmer has characteristics of neither gender...

It means both, or neither, which is correct in either case when applied to Gethenians. ^_^



Also, I had to send a business letter at work last week to someone with the surname "Kemmerer" and I felt like I was telling a dirty joke. That no-one else in the world would appreciate. EXCEPT MAYBE YOU.


BWAHAHAHAHA