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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2010-06-28 05:02 pm

[ SECRET POST #1273 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1273 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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(Anonymous) 2010-06-28 09:31 pm (UTC)(link)
You read wrong. The secret says rape FIC is okay.

Didn't we all argue this one out yesterday already?

[identity profile] yvw.livejournal.com 2010-06-28 09:52 pm (UTC)(link)
yeah, but i think it does no harm to discuss it further, as it is one ofthe few really big isses fandom people have with each other.

And, not totally related but kinda sparked with your comment:

I still have a problem with the whole fantasy =/= reality argument in the matter. While that is true, to me, as soon as you publish your fantasy for everyone to see, that argument doesn't really apply anymore.
As someone yesterday said (on the secret about caring about real life feminism, but not fandom!feminism) :

"Just gonna say, the internet is a component of real life, and it affects enough people's lives for what you do and say on the internet to matter.

Dunno what shows you love/what fannish things you do or if they warrant being criticized in a feminist way, but as a general statement: just cos it's ~for funsies~ doesn't mean it's without consequences."

And I think that applies to rape fic in general too.

Also sorry to spam you if that's now totally off topic.

[identity profile] dubiousuniverse.livejournal.com 2010-06-28 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
A lot of rape fic depicts rape in a distinctly less eroticized way than a lot of published novels - witness all the "seduction" rape, where the person saying no wants it really and loves it, that goes on in historical romantic novels/bodice rippers.

I can't claim to have read noncon fanfic particularly widely, but the pieces I have read have all been dark and disturbing, not trying to turn rape into something that isn't appalling and horrific.

[identity profile] xmarie08.livejournal.com 2010-06-29 12:15 am (UTC)(link)
I still have a problem with the whole fantasy =/= reality argument in the matter. While that is true, to me, as soon as you publish your fantasy for everyone to see, that argument doesn't really apply anymore.

I agree with this *especially* when it comes to incest and adult/child relationships because I worry about people providing fap material to people who actually victimize people. Do I think that everyone reading and writing these stories are sexual predators? Absolutely, positively, emphatically not.

Sometimes the people reading and writing stories are former victims who are using fic to process their experiences. And that is a good thing. But, the unfortunate thing about the anonymity of the internet is that you can't guarantee that anonymous readers and writers are in it for the right reasons.

That makes me very uncomfortable.

(Anonymous) 2010-06-29 12:19 am (UTC)(link)
I can see your point there... Though it does seem unlikely to be me that pedophiles and predators sit googling for Lucius/Draco fanfic. But then again I have no particular evidence to support my belief that it's unlikely.

I definitely doubt they sit googling for Lucius/Dobby.

[identity profile] xmarie08.livejournal.com 2010-06-29 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
LOL, imagining the SVU team interrogating a suspect with, "We've got a whole harddrive here full of house-elf porn you sick bastard!"

Seriously though, I think it is pretty unlikely they are reading and writing fanfic too, but when it comes to kids if the possibility exists it makes me uncomfortable. Also, unlike adult rape scenarios where there are readily available stories and images, images of child pornography are slightly more difficult to come by and certainly dangerous to possess so there *might* be some individuals lurking.

Not advocating censorship or flaming people with nasty names, it just makes me uncomfortable and I think talking (reasonably, like we are here) about these issues is a good thing.

[identity profile] soymade.livejournal.com 2010-06-29 04:25 am (UTC)(link)
o_0 never thought of that